Monday, June 15, 2009

[Electric Boats] Re: Regen



Dr.Mark,

Asking "how far and fast..." questions of battery-only electric boats will always be disappointing (with current technology) to those not already sold on battery-only boats.

Asking "how maneuverable, how reliable, how torquey, how much, how safe..." questions will grow the market exponentially. Even detaching "far" and "fast" gains market share for battery-only propulsion solutions, as batteries do either well (but not both). If the current battery technology had 100,000 times the energy density, everyone would go battery-only.

As it is, battery-only auxiliary sailboat propulsion is on the margins. As Arby said, "one gallon of gas is 800lbs of battery," and Keith harangues wisely about imagining "that you started [a] trip with only 1 gallon of fuel."

If you need fast + range, diesel/electric makes an efficient system. If you ALSO want easy maneuvering, diesel/battery/electric reigns supreme. If you ALSO want minimum diesel, solar/wind/regen/battery/sail/kite/paddle/wavesurfing/sterling/diesel/electric simply could not be beat (until Mr. Fusion or Gravity Drives become available).

Thanks for putting that box of soap out there for me to stand on.

Mark Stafford
P.S. If that is 25' LWL, 100watt regen, for 24hours, maybe 6knots for 1/10 mile? Regen works for LED lighting and occasional radio. Hull speed propulsion is much thirstier.

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "constancedraper" <drmark.draper@...> wrote:
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> The most compelling argument Keith makes, for me, is that if regen worked so well there would be a booming tow generator biz. But the ones I've found look pretty anemic, 100 watts is big time. If you're cruising offshore, 2400 kw a day is not bad.
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> But how far and fast will that push a 25 ft 4500 pound displacement hull?
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> md
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> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "aweekdaysailor" <aweekdaysailor@> wrote:
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> > There is only one possible conclusion...
> >
> > ...Golf carts should have sails!!
> >
> >
> > Seriously though...I do think that eventually regen can get practical (my "X-prize" standard is 10:1 ratio). But you probably need some combination of (as mentioned many times)
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> > o fancy controller to auto-feather without stalling
> > o Optimized prop design that can generate lift in reverse
> > o Over-sized (and therefore probably pod-mounted) and maybe shrouded/ducted props - note: these need to be running all the time while sailing or the drag would be too great, so technically you're now a powerboat.
> >
> > That's why I call it a science experiment - if you've got more money and time than common sense you'll be a perfect candidate!!
> >
> > But consider - if this really worked there would already be a tow-generator on the market that would make stupendous claims about how much power they generate (in reality a good one gives 6-8amps @12V - about 100watts*...) House power? Sure. Propulsion? Nah.
> >
> > -Keith
> >
> > (* references: http://www.jgtech.com/pdf/aqua6gen_instructions.pdf )
> >
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