T-Pain Is On A Boat: [Electric Boats] Re: Battery diagnostics

Thursday, June 25, 2009

[Electric Boats] Re: Battery diagnostics

Thanks for your reply Mark.

I should have mentioned that my batteries are AGM's. As I understand it you shouldn't "overcharge" sealed batteries because they can't vent effectively.

What does the recabling parallel do?

Thanks again,
Mark F

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Stafford" <mstafford@...> wrote:
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> Mark F.
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> Tricks for balancing an unbalanced battery pack:
> 1. labor intensive: uncable, recable parallel, wait an hour, uncable, recable serial.
> 2. put a 10-20amp load on the high battery for 1/2 hour.
> 3. build an electronic flying-capacitor charge equalizer
> 4. buy a charge equalizer:
> a. resistive load (akin to #2 above)
> b. charge re-distribution (PowerCheq or BattEQ)
> 5. de-sulfate the other batteries (BatteryLifeSaver or other electronic desulfator)
>
> My BattEQ from two years ago will not balance an unbalanced pack, but it will keep a pack balanced as long as the batteries are not too disparate. My PowerCheq only touches two batteries, so to do a whole string (series wired), you need 7 PowerCheqs for 8 batteries. My BatteryLifeSaver(s) have restored capacity to many batteries, though it takes months and will not fix dead cells.
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> Mark Stafford
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> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "acsarfkram" <acsarfkram@> wrote:
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> > "Finally - let's say you find one bad battery as I did. Are there any strategies for adding it into an existing "aged" pack."
> >
> > Great question Keith. I'm dealing with that right now after finding a bad battery in one of my two banks. The bank is the newest set of batteries so it's about 9 months old.
> >
> > I put a new (exact same battery) battery in the bank and tried charging. My PakTrakr showed the new battery being charged at a higher rate than the older batteries so I turned the charger off. I was told to try running the motor full out for about 15 minutes then cruise for a long time and try charging again. I did the 15 minutes full on in the slip and tried charging. It worked for a while (45 minutes?) then showed the new battery at a higher voltage (1 full volt) than the others. I turned it off. It seems it will take a while of vigilant monitoring while charging before I get a nice "patina" on the new battery so that it plays well with others :-).
> >
> > Does anyone have any tricks?
> >
> > Mark
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> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "aweekdaysailor" <aweekdaysailor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd like to add a section on my site about troubleshooting - particularly battery/range issues. But this seems like it's pretty much dark magic.
> > >
> > > To make it particularly tough I have a complex pack for both space and charging issues. It's 4 sets of (3 parallel) batteries cross-connected in series for 48V. From reading it seems this is sub-optimal but I'm not clear exactly on why (charge imbalance is the stated reason). I charge each set as a if it were a single 12V battery. One issue I suspect I face is sulfation because my charger output is so low (6amp) in comparison to the size of the set (345amp) - the batteries are sitting around in a discharged state for probably 3-4 days.
> > >
> > > I recently have been having trouble with greatly reduced range, and rapid voltage sag (like 40 down to 30 volts within 5 minutes). Reduced range I could expect due to sulfation, but the voltage sag was more troubling.
> > >
> > > First I checked water - I found a dry cell in one of my batteries a few weeks ago and thought that was the cause, but I dropped 1/3 of my pack (so now I am 4 sets of 2), that cell included, and it didn't help.
> > >
> > > Next I ran a load test after charge - couldn't see anything. (Sears has a nice 130amp load tester for about $50)
> > >
> > > Then I ran a load test after dropping the batteries pretty low. Bingo - 1 battery showing a dramatic difference. Pulled that battery and now I've got a range much closer to the predicted value (about 10AH down from "ideal"). And that's a string that has the "dry" cell battery in it (after refilling)
> > >
> > > Other than "divide and conquer", load testers, specific gravity and voltage meters - what other tools, strategies and processes can be used to diagnose battery issues?
> > >
> > > For example, I hear about "shorted" cells - what does that look like?
> > >
> > > Finally - let's say you find one bad battery as I did. Are there any strategies for adding it into an existing "aged" pack. All the stuff I've found basically says "don't do it"
> > >
> > > Thx
> > >
> > > -Keith
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