Thursday, December 31, 2020

[electricboats] SevCon gen4 got fried...how best to provision a new one

My sevcon gen4 got inundated with salt water and it is not working anymore. It sounds like a salt shaker when 
I shake it ;). I want to get a new one but was thinking about getting a millipak instead as my use case is not 
complicated and the output for the millipak is well within range of what I need and it would save some bucks.
My question is if I get a millipak it will need to be programmed
for my ME0913 motor (From thunderstruck). I see you can rent a programmer from electricmotorsport but i have never 
programmed this component (I'm an electrical engineer but I'm not sure If I would be getting in too deep with this
project). Any advice? 

Bradley
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Saturday, December 26, 2020

Re: [electricboats] CAN

When all else fails, please read the manual, our sevcon and curtis drive kits both can use our can translator so you can see watts going on with your system over Bluetooth using the torque app. 
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Friday, December 25, 2020

Re: [electricboats] Torquedo Cruise 2.0 - real world experience?

Details were in the 1st post .... here they are again:

  • Columbia Challenger 24,
  • full keel (modified)
  • LOA 24' 3"
  • LWL 18'
  • Displacement 3,950lbs
  • 2x 12v Group 31 deep cycle batteries, 105Ah, connected in series
  • Torquedo Cruise 2.0R long shaft, installed in outboard well

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Re: [electricboats] CAN


The cable in the kit includes a Programming Port wired to some of the CAN-bus pins on the Sevcon Gen4:
(I got this from thunderstruck, pin out is in the Gen4 manual)
Red - 13 - CAN high
Black - 2 - CAN term
Brown - 24 CAN low (should be linked to pin 2 TERM) 
White - 28 - CAN +/power
Green - Battery negative

With that you can connect an Arduino CAN bus adapter or wire up an obd2. This seems to work :-)

There is a diagram from the kit they sell for dxat that shows the connection to a DB9 obd2 adapter, I haven't done this:




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So I have the 10kw motor from Thunderstruck with the Sevcon gen 4 controller. How do I connect the obd 2 to the controller?

Also have the TSM 2500 charger but I don't see a path for the two to communicate. 

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So I have the 10kw motor from Thunderstruck with the Sevcon gen 4 controller. How do I connect the obd 2 to the controller?

Also have the TSM 2500 charger but I don't see a path for the two to communicate. 

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Re: [electricboats] Torquedo Cruise 2.0 - real world experience?

Details on the vessel to put this in context?  Boat model, LWL, displ, motor, controller, battery (type/size).  I guess we know motor/controller. 


 

On 2020-12-24 1:30 pm, tmalcolm wrote:

Just a quick report - we ran around the marina last weekend and spent a little over an hour maneuvering and docking, averaging around 2knts at 200W-400W power. The throttle controller showed we used 11% of the battery charge. At WOT the boat hit 4.8kts and used 1900W.
Not stellar performance, but decent enough for our typical weekend day sailing. 
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Re: [electricboats] Torquedo Cruise 2.0 - real world experience?

Just a quick report - we ran around the marina last weekend and spent a little over an hour maneuvering and docking, averaging around 2knts at 200W-400W power. The throttle controller showed we used 11% of the battery charge. At WOT the boat hit 4.8kts and used 1900W.
Not stellar performance, but decent enough for our typical weekend day sailing. 
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Saturday, December 19, 2020

Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Jesper,
The pair of turnbuckles that I'll be using as stabilizers and for angular fine-tuning, is one I found on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08KTHF1M6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[BTW, the charity I'm supporting with my 'Smile.Amazon' purchases is the Rudolf Steiner School Association of Ann Arbor..]
Too bad I'd had the custom welding done to rework the Thunderstruck mounting brackets *before* you'd shared the links to the on-line laser cutting!  I likely spent more than I might have, and I've got the winter to learn one of those CAD programs!   :-)
Cheers!
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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

@Harley,

That looks nice and clean as well! Where did you source those turnbuckles? I've been looking all over and cannot find any at a good deal. 

/Jesper 
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@carsten

Sure I'll check it out! 

/Jesper 
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Friday, December 18, 2020

Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

Dan, whoops!  You're absolutely correct!  Thank you so much.  I was conflating a chain coupler (a form of flexible coupling) with the TS reduction gear.  Thanks for helping me understand the difference!  

Neither u-joint nor spider couplers will handle thrust load, but I have two protections against thrust in the prop shaft. The first is an R*D flexible coupling which has limited protection (I hear) from thrust, plus the Velvet Drive 72C has a thrust bearing integrated into the transmission (according to the diagrams I have).  So I think/hope I'm good with the thrust issue. Basically, I'm leaving the entire setup (Motor -- reduction gear/transmission  --  thrust bearing -- coupler -- prop shaft) in place from the diesel engine with the exception of the motor, which I'm swapping to electric.  In my case, I'm using the transmission as the reduction gear.  

But I'm still considering some type of flexible coupling between the motor and transmission, just to handle potential misalignment and to keep noise down.

I'll post an image/drawing of my plan sometime this weekend.

Thanks again, Dan!


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Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

Jesper, this is incredibly helpful! In many ways it looks like the existing connection I have between the transmission and the prop shaft. I have a similar coupling there (flexible coupling with the breakaway bars for safety if there's a failure). I could do something similar between the transmission and the motor.  I have a the spring plate from the transmission, so I'm thinking of cutting that down to a 5" circle that maintains the springs and some flexibility from the multiple layers of metal.  (I'll add a photo later.) Then I'll connect that to a custom machined piece which will allow a connection with the drive shaft of the motor. I could then either use a flexible/elastomer plate (like I see in your image above) for some additional tolerance for misalignment, or just make sure I'm fully aligned and depend on the flexibility provided by the transmission adapter plate. 

Yikes, this is hard to read.  I'll create a sketch...

Thanks again, Jesper!
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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Thanks for the clarification  Jesper, I couldn't quite figure out what
you had done. It is really a magnificant installation and I really envy
the parts that you had fabricated.


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Thursday, December 17, 2020

Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Tim and Jesper

I am at Pacific Marina/Oakland/Encinal yacht club. Couple blocks from Marina Village.

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@chris hill

Thank you. I was just adding a little disclaimer as I haven't really had time to test it out much yet. If I could have done it differently I would have probably hauled the boat first, and worked at it over winter but not really an option where I'm at. Also I would have liked to replace the cutlass, shaft and coupler as I am getting some vibration but that was more or less expected. Hopefully I can get around to that next year sometime. 

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@chris hill

Thank you. I was just adding a little disclaimer as I haven't really had time to test it out much yet. If I could have done it differently I would have probably hauled the boat first, and worked at it over winter but not really an option where I'm at. Also I would have liked to replace the cutlass, shaft and coupler as I am getting some vibration but that was more or less expected. Hopefully I can get around to that next year sometime. 
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@tim roche

Yeah come by and have a look if you like. I'm at Marina Village. I don't live in the area so not always around but sure we could arrange something.
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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

@ryan

Yes I haven't had time to tidy up that area yet. I could shorten the throttle wiring to the controller and add some plastic conduit, but haven't formed a solid plan really. Let me know if you come up with something. 
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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

@peter

Yes I used the 134 that came with the kit. I was thinking of attaching it directly to the existing throttle mechanism at the wheel but couldn't figure out a good way to fit it so ended up using the cable and some custom parts. 
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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Great install! Thanks for sharing the detailed pictures!

 

You have a lot of exposed wiring and a lot of exposed wiring connectors on the motor and the controller. I've got the same issue with my ElectricYacht 10KW motor. Do you have a plan to enclose or otherwise waterproof those areas?

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Peter,

I think he did use a Curtis 134 or 126. He had the I guess you would call it the lever fabricated.

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Hallo Jesper, Is there a reason why you did not use an electronic
throttle like the Curtis et-103m which is the one I used but I'm sure
there are a multitude of others.To me it was so much simpler with just a
few wires leading to the controller. I have enclosed a pic. This was
installed at least 10 years ago and I was wondering if things have changed.



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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Hallo Jesper, Is there a reason why you did not use an electronic
throttle like the Curtis et-103m which is the one I used but I'm sure
there are a multitude of others.To me it was so much simpler with just a
few wires leading to the controller. I have enclosed a pic. This was
installed at least 10 years ago and I was wondering if things have changed.



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Wednesday, December 16, 2020

Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Hi Jesper,

i'm thinking of a similar project, would love to come check out what you are doing, i'm just down the estuary from you at Alameda marina. 

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It's not terribly difficult. Although I did have experience with similar software before. I'm sure you can find some tutorials on YouTube. The thing that takes some getting used to is "drawing" with commands rather than the mouse. For example, to make a rectangle you specify the starting corner, then type the other corner in a x and y coordinate fashion.

For the pieces I made it's quite basic use of the software. But it's worth it, the throttle pieces came out at about 7 or 8 usd a piece. They (sendcutsend) have a minimum of 29 usd per order for stainless steel however so i had to make sure to make most of the orders together. They also have normal steel, brass, copper etc so have given me some ideas for future projects.

Most of these online cutter providers give you an instant quote as well when you upload the drawings. 

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@jeremy

It's not terribly difficult. Although I did have experience with similar software before. I'm sure you can find some tutorials on YouTube. The thing that takes some getting used to is "drawing" with commands rather than the mouse. For example, to make a rectangle you specify the starting corner, then type the other corner in a x and y coordinate fashion.

For the pieces I made it's quite basic use of the software. But it's worth it, the throttle pieces came out at about 7 or 8 usd a piece. They (sendcutsend) have a minimum of 29 usd per order for stainless steel however so i had to make sure to make most of the orders together. They also have normal steel, brass, copper etc so have given me some ideas for future projects.

Most of these online cutter providers give you an instant quote as well when you upload the drawings. 
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Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

Congratulations on a well designed and implemented project.
And I love the detailed info, which I may or may not use, but certainly gives me direction and possibilities.

Thank you!  


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On Dec 16, 2020, at 18:05, jesper.malmberg86@gmail.com wrote:

Hello everyone.

I've been working on my electric conversion on my cs30 for the past 6 months and this group has helped me a lot! This is a bit longer writeup as some people have asked for it. Any pointers or suggestions are welcome! There is a pricelist and some early testing data at the end of this post. 

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I acquired this boat with a seized Volvo penta 2002 and the previous owner also left a 10kw thunderstruck kit that he never got around to installing. I didn't like the mounting brackets that came with the kit as it seemed like I had to drill new holes on in the spars, and I wanted this to be an easy (quick) replacement once the diesel was out using the same holes so I decided to make a platform for the gear reduction to be mounted on and then this platform would be mounted to the old engine mounts. I used librecad which is an open source version of CAD, to design my parts and then had them lasercut online. I used two different vendors:
 
 
Oshcut was cheaper for the large parts and sendcutsend was used for everything else. I can recommend sendcutsend as they are quite fast and I've had an overall pleasant experience with them.

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My main concern was/is that the bolts at the different connection points would vibrate loose. I used nylon locknuts and locktite to try to mitigate this. Also, I figured that the brace supports that attach towards the top of the gear reduction would help some. Nevertheless, I've taken the boat out a handful of times and haven't seen any movement yet, and I'll keep monitoring. 
 
I put the gen4 controller on an aluminum plate and added some thermal conductive paste in between with the hope thst this plate would act as a heatsink. I also mounted the contactor and throttle on this plate. 
 
I chose to use a traditional shaft coupling on my gear reducer that matched the one already on the propshaft. I mostly did this because I don't think I could have removed the existing coupling easily, especially without hauling the boat. I inserted a R&D flexible coupling in between to ease alignment etc. I had to drill another dimple in the reducer's shaft and add a longer shaft key as well.

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When it finally came to installing the drive, a friend and I dismantled the engine down to the point where basically only the block remained. This weighed just under 200lbs and we managed to lift it out by hand. I made a small rig out of plywood to keep the shaft in place and prevent water ingress from the pss dripless seal. This was by far the most nerve wrecking moment as I wasn't sure of how this seal would react. I read everything I could find about it and talked to some mechanics etc and most sources agreed it could be done but better to haul out. Here in the bay area there are only 2 diy yards that I'm aware of and one is in Napa and the other one in Richmond has over a year waiting list. So I decided to give it a go. In the end it wasn't too bad. Some water came in but not more than I could manage to remove with a sponge and bucket until the electric drive was in place.

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The seal kept dripping however, about 1 drop every 10 seconds until I managed to align the drive perfectly. Also, after recommendation from a mechanic, the seal stopped dripping after I ran the drive for 30 min and "flushed/burped" the seal. 
 
The throttle assembly needed to be modified as well. I guess I could have used the shifter cable but it was so easy to put together some drawings and have it cut online that I decided to go ahead and use the original throttle cable.

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For the battery I was planning on DIYing a 48v pack around 200ah with prismatic lifepo4 cells and bms. In the end, if I was to order from a reputable vendor, and considering the cost of a good bms, a proper enclosure, charger etc etc the difference in price was not large enough for me to attempt it. I ended up ordering a 48v 160ah pack from a company called Roypow. It's intended for use in golf cars and comes in an Ip67 case with charger included as well. I realize these are most likely the same cells from the same factory as DIY builds but with everything else being diy with this conversion I felt that I could spend a bit more for a ready solution with the battery bank. So far its performed very well and the charger that comes with it is pretty fast at about 22amps.
I installed the pack where the old fuel tank was mounted. 

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I've taken the boat out a handful of times and I am very pleased with the performance so far. 
Current draw, on a calm day with flat waters and no current has been as follows (according to Clearview display and navionics.) 
 
6 amps gave me about 1 knot maneuvering around the marina. 
20 amps gave me 3.4 knots out on the estuary. 
This is with clean hull and original folding prop. 
 
I haven't done much more testing but got about 100amp draw when I was in the slip checking for vibration etc (about half throttle which seems reasonable) . I'll post more updated figures as I continue testing.
 
As for cost, well, the TS kit was included with the boat but I guess it's around 2000usd at the moment. 
~200 for flexible and standard coupling
~3000 for battery bank, including charger and shipping. 
~200 for custom crimped battery cables from customboatcables.com (they have also been great to deal with) 
~ 350 for the stainless steel parts. Most expensive was the mounting plate at 175 usd. 
~ 500 in other supplies
 
By no means do I think this is the best or preferred way of making a conversion. This post is merely intended to give other people inspiration and hopefully some constructive feedback. 
 
Thank you! 
 
/Jesper 
 
Summary of rescources;
Roypow bank bought from apex golf carts on eBay
Go2marine.com (their return policy is not so good so make sure you order the right parts) 
 
 
 
 
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I'll second that upvote. And I was not aware about online laser cutting. I hope to take advantage of that. How difficult is it to learn librecad?  

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On Wednesday, December 16, 2020, 5:07 PM, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

What a compact and tidy setup! Well Done and thank you for sharing!

On Dec 16, 2020, at 3:31 PM, jesper.malmberg86@gmail.com wrote:

Also, there are several groups on Facebook that have helped a lot, like:
DIY Sailors, 
Electric sailboats, 
Boat Electrical Systems


Re: [electricboats] Cs30 Thunderstruck conversion

What a compact and tidy setup! Well Done and thank you for sharing!

On Dec 16, 2020, at 3:31 PM, jesper.malmberg86@gmail.com wrote:

Also, there are several groups on Facebook that have helped a lot, like:
DIY Sailors, 
Electric sailboats, 
Boat Electrical Systems


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Also, there are several groups on Facebook that have helped a lot, like:
DIY Sailors, 
Electric sailboats, 
Boat Electrical Systems

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Not sure if the picture works... 
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Steven, 
 
I ended up not using the TS gear coupling, mostly because I didn't want to remove the existing shaft coupling which seems quite old and would have put up a fight I'm sure. 
 
I just got the same coupling as for the original Volvo penta and put on my gear reduction shaft. I needed to drill another dimple as the new coupling has 2 set screws, also I needed a new shaft key. I added an R&D flexible coupling in between the two and it seems to be working pretty well. Aligning the two was pretty straight forward. I paid around 60 for the coupling and 130 for the flexible one and 10 for the key. 
 
I just finished my installation and there is some vibration but I think it's more likely from the shaft itself or the cutlass as the alignment is within the tolerances according to R&D.
 
/Jesper 
 
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Steven, 

I ended up not using the TS gear coupling, mostly because I didn't want to remove the existing shaft coupling which seems quite old and would have put up a fight I'm sure. 

I just got the same coupling as for the original Volvo penta and put on my gear reduction shaft. I needed to drill another dimple as the new coupling had has 2 set screws, also I needed a new shaft key. I added an R&D flexible coupling in between the two and it seems to be working pretty well. Aligning the two was pretty straight forward. I paid around 60 for the coupling and 130 for the flexible one and 10 for the key.

/Jesper

I just finished my installation and there is some vibration but I think it's more likely from the shaft itself or the cutlass as the alignment is within the tolerances according to R&D.
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Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

Couple of questions...

Are you conflating the Thunderstruck reduction gear (which is a belt drive unit with a thrust bearing) with the chain coupler?  Two different and distinct parts of the driveline.

Also, are the lovejoy type spider couplers and the spicer type u-joint couplers made to handle thrust loads?  I suspect the answer is no?  If that's correct you will need a thrust bearing between the propeller shaft (with all the required support structure) and either of these couplers.  And that means an alignment of at least the thrust bearing with the propeller shaft.  And if that is the case the only one of the couplers mentioned that can handle a slight miss-alignment and the thrust loads is the Drivesaver type.  And then you still need a thrust bearing between the Drivesaver and the motor or reduction gear.

Motor -- reduction gear  --  thrust bearing -- coupler -- prop shaft


Dan Pfeiffer

 

On 2020-12-16 2:06 pm, Steven Borg wrote:

Thanks, Michael.  I spelunked through all the photos on the site that I could find and didn't see any with a direct connect.  The Thunderstruck chain reduction does seem quite popular though!  
 
I'll keep looking!  I keep flipping between elastomeric couplings (jaw/LoveJoy) (since if they break they still will turn the prop, just with a lot of rattling) and a universal joint (Spicer, etc) like you'd find in the driveshaft of a car (which can support much more misalignment, but if breaks won't turn the prop).
 
:-)
Steve
 
 
 
---- On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:50:24 -0800 Michael Blackstock <mdblackstock@gmail.com> wrote ----
 
Steve, I'll have to look back at the group posts, but somebody used a flexible coupling to do the direct connect. I believe they posted multiple pictures or it might have been a video...
I'm not sure what method I'm using yet
 
Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217
 
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:45 PM Steven Borg <steve@theborg.family> wrote:
 
Michael,
 
For a direct connect via a flexible coupling...  What type of coupling are you considering, or would recommend?  I'm trying to determine how to connect my motor to my transmission / gear reducer.
 
Thanks!
 
:-)
Steve
 
 
 
---- On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:52:18 -0800 William Shannahan via groups.io <shannahanwilliam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote ----
 
I had to order a bigger hydraulic crimper because I went 2/0 for battery cable and couldn't find anything locally that would crimp the lugs. So I am going to try and install the battery cables tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't speak to the noise or vibration till then.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 

From: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io> on behalf of Michael Blackstock <mdblackstock@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:49:47 PM
To: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction
 
William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling
 
 
Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217

Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

Thanks, Michael.  I spelunked through all the photos on the site that I could find and didn't see any with a direct connect.  The Thunderstruck chain reduction does seem quite popular though!  

I'll keep looking!  I keep flipping between elastomeric couplings (jaw/LoveJoy) (since if they break they still will turn the prop, just with a lot of rattling) and a universal joint (Spicer, etc) like you'd find in the driveshaft of a car (which can support much more misalignment, but if breaks won't turn the prop).

:-)
Steve



---- On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:50:24 -0800 Michael Blackstock <mdblackstock@gmail.com> wrote ----

Steve, I'll have to look back at the group posts, but somebody used a flexible coupling to do the direct connect. I believe they posted multiple pictures or it might have been a video...
I'm not sure what method I'm using yet

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:45 PM Steven Borg <steve@theborg.family> wrote:

Michael,

For a direct connect via a flexible coupling...  What type of coupling are you considering, or would recommend?  I'm trying to determine how to connect my motor to my transmission / gear reducer.

Thanks!

:-)
Steve



---- On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:52:18 -0800 William Shannahan via groups.io <shannahanwilliam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote ----

I had to order a bigger hydraulic crimper because I went 2/0 for battery cable and couldn't find anything locally that would crimp the lugs. So I am going to try and install the battery cables tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't speak to the noise or vibration till then.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



From: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io> on behalf of Michael Blackstock <mdblackstock@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:49:47 PM
To: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction
 
William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling


Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217









Tuesday, December 15, 2020

Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

Steve, I'll have to look back at the group posts, but somebody used a flexible coupling to do the direct connect. I believe they posted multiple pictures or it might have been a video...
I'm not sure what method I'm using yet

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:45 PM Steven Borg <steve@theborg.family> wrote:
Michael,

For a direct connect via a flexible coupling...  What type of coupling are you considering, or would recommend?  I'm trying to determine how to connect my motor to my transmission / gear reducer.

Thanks!

:-)
Steve



---- On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:52:18 -0800 William Shannahan via groups.io <shannahanwilliam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote ----

I had to order a bigger hydraulic crimper because I went 2/0 for battery cable and couldn't find anything locally that would crimp the lugs. So I am going to try and install the battery cables tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't speak to the noise or vibration till then.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:49:47 PM
To: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction
 
William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217





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Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

I have had success with a chain loop between motor and driveshaft, giving me a 2-1 reduction. I grease it occasionally. I also have a nylon flexible coupling in line. 


On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Steven Borg <steve@theborg.family> wrote:


Michael,

For a direct connect via a flexible coupling...  What type of coupling are you considering, or would recommend?  I'm trying to determine how to connect my motor to my transmission / gear reducer.

Thanks!

:-)
Steve



---- On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:52:18 -0800 William Shannahan via groups.io <shannahanwilliam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote ----

I had to order a bigger hydraulic crimper because I went 2/0 for battery cable and couldn't find anything locally that would crimp the lugs. So I am going to try and install the battery cables tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't speak to the noise or vibration till then.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


From: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io> on behalf of Michael Blackstock <mdblackstock@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:49:47 PM
To: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction
 
William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217





Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

Michael,

For a direct connect via a flexible coupling...  What type of coupling are you considering, or would recommend?  I'm trying to determine how to connect my motor to my transmission / gear reducer.

Thanks!

:-)
Steve



---- On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:52:18 -0800 William Shannahan via groups.io <shannahanwilliam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote ----

I had to order a bigger hydraulic crimper because I went 2/0 for battery cable and couldn't find anything locally that would crimp the lugs. So I am going to try and install the battery cables tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't speak to the noise or vibration till then.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


From: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io> on behalf of Michael Blackstock <mdblackstock@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:49:47 PM
To: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction
 
William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217





Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

I had to order a bigger hydraulic crimper because I went 2/0 for battery cable and couldn't find anything locally that would crimp the lugs. So I am going to try and install the battery cables tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't speak to the noise or vibration till then.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:49:47 PM
To: electricboats@groups.io <electricboats@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction
 
William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217

Re: [electricboats] Thunderstruck Gear Reduction

William, just curious if you've completed installation of the gear reduction? 
Thunderstruck recommended the same setup to me, but I'm curious about any extra noise you think the reducer might cause vs. a direct mount of the motor to the prop shaft via a flexible coupling

Michael Blackstock

Cell phone 503-913-8217
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[electricboats] Connecting motor to transmission - Spicer? Lovejoy?

Wow! This group is fantastic. I have learned so much from all the content and the wonderful folks answering questions.  Thank you!

I'm trying to determine how to best connect a Velvet Drive 72C transmission/gear reducer to a Hyper-9 144V motor. I'm stumped. I have the transmission itself, as well as the transmission "spring plate" adapter from the diesel engine. But connecting the two is a challenge...

So, here's a few of my current thoughts.  

First, I'm trying to understand the 'best' general approach for connecting the two shafts. My top 3 choices (currently) all allow for some level of misalignment. They are:
1) Jaw Coupling (aka LoveJoy) with a spider between them. Thinking size L150? Big enough to support the required 2,000 in-lbs of torque from the engine.

L075 L Type Lovejoy Style Jaw Coupling & Rubber Spider Set
2) Universal Coupling (aka Spicer). Thinking size 1350??

Universal Joint Assemblies (Standard Series): 1'' x 1'' I.D.(Inner  Diameter), 1000 RPM, 800 Lbs, 5" Overall Length, 1/4'' Keyway, 133016:  Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

3) Marine Flexible Coupling. I have one of these between my transmission and prop shaft:


Each of these would give me the appropriate level of flexibility (I'm planning a self installation).  But I have no idea the pros and cons of these approaches.

Next, once I know the above approach, I have to figure out how to connect the transmission to the coupling. 

For the Jaw and Universal couplings, I figured I'd cut the spline out of the existing transmission adapter and weld it into/onto the coupling. For the flexible coupling #3 (don’t know what it’s called), I could maybe use the plate as it is (cutting it down to maybe 5 inches in diameter), and mount it to a plate which I could mount to the flexible coupling. 

Coming in from the engine isn’t a problem. I can find Jaw, Universal or just a flange that adapts easily. It’s easy to find something to fit a 1 1/8 inch shaft with a ¼” keyway.  😊  But a bit harder to find something that fits the 26-spline, seemingly one-off, shaft of the Velvet Drive 72C.

Does anyone have any recommendations or ideas?

Thanks!
Steve

 

PS.  I’m the one with the 55’ sailboat that posted earlier!  Thanks for all the previous help, too!

 

 

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