Re: [electricboats] Electric Drive Installation - Throttle Position

I got some photos of the setup I cobbled together to connect the Curtis throttle unit to the Morse cable and to the pedestal lever.  Works pretty well but the feel for the detent on the Curtis is a bit vague.  I may add a more robust detent to the other side of the Curtis.  Not sure.

Also, I had the chance to motor out through some 2-4' chop right into 12-15 kts true wind.  I was maintaining 5-1/2 kts at 3.5 to 5 kW.  There was no question of the power being adequate and there was plenty of reserve.  I should have logged some data for more meaningful numbers.  Next time.   And while there was plenty of power for this it would only hold up for a couple of hours like that.   The diesel would have done it all day of course.  So would the diesel genset I have in mind.  The little Honda type generator would have been able to supplement and extend the range but doing it all day would not be an option especially of you needed to refill the generator with gasoline in that chop.  Might be manageable with propane but that will be a little less power.  Then again, slogging into chop all day is something I would avoid regardless of the capacity to do it.  But if you had to (and sometimes you do?) the inboard diesel would still reign for that I think.   Then the electric drive with inboard diesel genset.   Or you could triple battery capacity.  But I think a genset might be more practical, flexible and maybe cost competitive for a DIY. 



Dan Pfeiffer

Re: [electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

I attach a screenshot.

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 09:27:16 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

Hmm, Maybe that also requires an IEEE login? Apologies!

On Jul 26, 2021, at 18:14, Carsten via groups.io <Carstensemail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



Still not good.

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:39:06 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

Hmm, I must have flubbed the cut and paste.  Here it is:

https://ieee.webex.com/mw3300/mywebex/default.do?nomenu=true&siteurl=ieee&service=6&rnd=0.31937738898469914&main_url=https%3A%2F%2Fieee.webex.com%2Fec3300%2Feventcenter%2Fevent%2FeventAction.do%3FtheAction%3Ddetail%26%26%26EMK%3D4832534b000000059c32161fa4d025e81f1751b19d80cc02a55a9b2c1cca931d59c60f4a01b5d613%26siteurl%3Dieee%26confViewID%3D197774925611710203%26encryptTicket%3DSDJTSwAAAAWYuN7ekbBrtlKc6mQ6oQlybTVFkf-rRLhnrE0cdle2VQ2%26 

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Carsten via groups.io <Carstensemail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The link is wrong, "Event not found".

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:29:25 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

By the way. As I was searching I also spotted this upcoming IEEE webinar on Hybrid and Electric Vehicles.  No idea if it will cover maritime or not but possibly of interest to this audience.

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ryan Sweet via groups.io <ryan=ryansweet.org@groups.io> wrote:

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

Re: [electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

Hmm, Maybe that also requires an IEEE login? Apologies!

On Jul 26, 2021, at 18:14, Carsten via groups.io <Carstensemail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



Still not good.

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:39:06 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

Hmm, I must have flubbed the cut and paste.  Here it is:

https://ieee.webex.com/mw3300/mywebex/default.do?nomenu=true&siteurl=ieee&service=6&rnd=0.31937738898469914&main_url=https%3A%2F%2Fieee.webex.com%2Fec3300%2Feventcenter%2Fevent%2FeventAction.do%3FtheAction%3Ddetail%26%26%26EMK%3D4832534b000000059c32161fa4d025e81f1751b19d80cc02a55a9b2c1cca931d59c60f4a01b5d613%26siteurl%3Dieee%26confViewID%3D197774925611710203%26encryptTicket%3DSDJTSwAAAAWYuN7ekbBrtlKc6mQ6oQlybTVFkf-rRLhnrE0cdle2VQ2%26 

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Carsten via groups.io <Carstensemail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The link is wrong, "Event not found".

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:29:25 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

By the way. As I was searching I also spotted this upcoming IEEE webinar on Hybrid and Electric Vehicles.  No idea if it will cover maritime or not but possibly of interest to this audience.

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ryan Sweet via groups.io <ryan=ryansweet.org@groups.io> wrote:

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

Re: [electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

Still not good.

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:39:06 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

Hmm, I must have flubbed the cut and paste.  Here it is:

https://ieee.webex.com/mw3300/mywebex/default.do?nomenu=true&siteurl=ieee&service=6&rnd=0.31937738898469914&main_url=https%3A%2F%2Fieee.webex.com%2Fec3300%2Feventcenter%2Fevent%2FeventAction.do%3FtheAction%3Ddetail%26%26%26EMK%3D4832534b000000059c32161fa4d025e81f1751b19d80cc02a55a9b2c1cca931d59c60f4a01b5d613%26siteurl%3Dieee%26confViewID%3D197774925611710203%26encryptTicket%3DSDJTSwAAAAWYuN7ekbBrtlKc6mQ6oQlybTVFkf-rRLhnrE0cdle2VQ2%26 

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Carsten via groups.io <Carstensemail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The link is wrong, "Event not found".

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:29:25 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

By the way. As I was searching I also spotted this upcoming IEEE webinar on Hybrid and Electric Vehicles.  No idea if it will cover maritime or not but possibly of interest to this audience.

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ryan Sweet via groups.io <ryan=ryansweet.org@groups.io> wrote:

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

Re: [electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

Hmm, I must have flubbed the cut and paste.  Here it is:

https://ieee.webex.com/mw3300/mywebex/default.do?nomenu=true&siteurl=ieee&service=6&rnd=0.31937738898469914&main_url=https%3A%2F%2Fieee.webex.com%2Fec3300%2Feventcenter%2Fevent%2FeventAction.do%3FtheAction%3Ddetail%26%26%26EMK%3D4832534b000000059c32161fa4d025e81f1751b19d80cc02a55a9b2c1cca931d59c60f4a01b5d613%26siteurl%3Dieee%26confViewID%3D197774925611710203%26encryptTicket%3DSDJTSwAAAAWYuN7ekbBrtlKc6mQ6oQlybTVFkf-rRLhnrE0cdle2VQ2%26 

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Carsten via groups.io <Carstensemail=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The link is wrong, "Event not found".

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:29:25 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

By the way. As I was searching I also spotted this upcoming IEEE webinar on Hybrid and Electric Vehicles.  No idea if it will cover maritime or not but possibly of interest to this audience.

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ryan Sweet via groups.io <ryan=ryansweet.org@groups.io> wrote:

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

Re: [electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

The link is wrong, "Event not found".

On Tuesday, 27 July 2021, 08:29:25 GMT+8, Ryan Sweet <ryan@ryansweet.org> wrote:

By the way. As I was searching I also spotted this upcoming IEEE webinar on Hybrid and Electric Vehicles.  No idea if it will cover maritime or not but possibly of interest to this audience.

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ryan Sweet via groups.io <ryan=ryansweet.org@groups.io> wrote:

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

Re: [electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

By the way. As I was searching I also spotted this upcoming IEEE webinar on Hybrid and Electric Vehicles.  No idea if it will cover maritime or not but possibly of interest to this audience.

On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ryan Sweet via groups.io <ryan=ryansweet.org@groups.io> wrote:

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

[electricboats] ontologies for maritime electronics?

(Possibly too far off topic? Let me know If you happen to have an interest in this or relevant knowledge, feel free to message me directly (ryan@ryansweet.org) and let's discuss….)

Somewhat related to my questions about the viltron bluetooth connection - I'm working on software for easy remote monitoring and management of the electrical assets in the boats (with an eye to perhaps generalizing to EVs or home energy storage more broadly).  I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. So I started searching for existing ontologies for describing marine electrical assets, and I'm not winning.  Of course at the one end there is CIM, which can describe just about the entire power grid, but doesn't actually seem to have any models for mobile equipment or DC loads. At the other extreme is something like this paper (IEEE login required) which offers a model developed by the Royal Navy to test parameters for a proposed all-electric drive destroyers (who knew?).  I don't find much in between and I feel like I'm not searching effectively because its not my background field.  I'm thinking about extending this DTDL model for energy grids which is a version of the CIM thing and does include some stubs for EVs and EV Charging stations, but nothing marine. I don't have access to the ABYC standards and don't feel like paying $50 each for them, but my understanding is that they have lists of guidance but not a standardized ontology, is that right?

Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

SW, 

Thanks we'll try it.

Jerry

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

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From: "sw via groups.io" <v1opps=yahoo.com@groups.io>

Date: 7/26/21 6:04 PM (GMT-04:00)

To: electricboats@groups.io

Subject: Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

I used the one with the ant symbol on it maybe try that one upper left

Looks like another  one but maybe a copy?

Just put ant bms in search box on apps

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 02:48:12 PM PDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Sw,

Yes Bluetooth is on. But then connects and says "waiting for data". I used my Android phone app and it works with that board.

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

-------- Original message --------

From: "sw via groups.io" <v1opps=yahoo.com@groups.io>

Date: 7/26/21 5:38 PM (GMT-04:00)

To: electricboats@groups.io

Subject: Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

It seemed to work for me 

Bluetooth on?

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 02:30:43 PM PDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I use the Android app VBMS for the Ant BMS new version. It works well.  I made a BMS for a friend who has only apple devices. We tried this one:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xiaoxiang-bms/id1375405426

It connects to the board but says only "waiting for data". Any clue how to get it working or a better apple based app?

Thanks,

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

I used the one with the ant symbol on it maybe try that one upper left

Looks like another  one but maybe a copy?

Just put ant bms in search box on apps

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 02:48:12 PM PDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Sw,

Yes Bluetooth is on. But then connects and says "waiting for data". I used my Android phone app and it works with that board.

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

-------- Original message --------

From: "sw via groups.io" <v1opps=yahoo.com@groups.io>

Date: 7/26/21 5:38 PM (GMT-04:00)

To: electricboats@groups.io

Subject: Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

It seemed to work for me 

Bluetooth on?

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 02:30:43 PM PDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I use the Android app VBMS for the Ant BMS new version. It works well.  I made a BMS for a friend who has only apple devices. We tried this one:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xiaoxiang-bms/id1375405426

It connects to the board but says only "waiting for data". Any clue how to get it working or a better apple based app?

Thanks,

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

Sw,

Yes Bluetooth is on. But then connects and says "waiting for data". I used my Android phone app and it works with that board.

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

-------- Original message --------

From: "sw via groups.io" <v1opps=yahoo.com@groups.io>

Date: 7/26/21 5:38 PM (GMT-04:00)

To: electricboats@groups.io

Subject: Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

It seemed to work for me 

Bluetooth on?

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 02:30:43 PM PDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I use the Android app VBMS for the Ant BMS new version. It works well.  I made a BMS for a friend who has only apple devices. We tried this one:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xiaoxiang-bms/id1375405426

It connects to the board but says only "waiting for data". Any clue how to get it working or a better apple based app?

Thanks,

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

Re: [electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

It seemed to work for me 

Bluetooth on?

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 02:30:43 PM PDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I use the Android app VBMS for the Ant BMS new version. It works well.  I made a BMS for a friend who has only apple devices. We tried this one:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xiaoxiang-bms/id1375405426

It connects to the board but says only "waiting for data". Any clue how to get it working or a better apple based app?

Thanks,

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

[electricboats] Apple Ant BMS App

I use the Android app VBMS for the Ant BMS new version. It works well.  I made a BMS for a friend who has only apple devices. We tried this one:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xiaoxiang-bms/id1375405426

It connects to the board but says only "waiting for data". Any clue how to get it working or a better apple based app?

Thanks,

Jerry Barth

Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

[electricboats] Brushless DC Moter Controller

I have a ePropulsioin Spirit 1 motor w/o a controller: just the shaft, motor and propeller.  Anyone know what controller I could use to run the motor, or how to build or where to buy one???

Thanks,
Newbie James

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