Wednesday, June 29, 2016

Re: [Electric Boats] Electric Sidewheeler

 

Cal,

Best way to answer this is the description here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_motor

For turns/strips see:

http://lynchmotors.co.uk/pdfs/lmc-lem-200.pdf

I use the D135 which under load gives me 40.5 RPM/volt and around 0.21 Nm/Amp.

The Saietta/Agni/Lynch are all basically the same. The Etek/Perm/Heinzmann are copies or similar. See:

https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/the-lynch-motor-lynch-lemco-agni-perm-timeline/

The Saietta site has spreadsheets with efficiency at different voltages and current. At my cruise speed the motor is around 88 - 90% efficient.

The Motoenergy motors by John Fiorenza came about I understand because of the Lynch but he didn't have infringe IP as some appear to have due to a different design.

John

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Tuesday, June 28, 2016

Re: [Electric Boats] Electric Sidewheeler

 

John, do you happen to know how many poles the motor has, and how many turns per coil? Just curious as I have been daydreaming for some time about building my own low speed motor with integral thrust bearing specifically for direct drive applications though I will be sticking with at least 48v regardless.

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[Electric Boats] Re: Electric Sidewheeler

 

Brushless motor reversing is accomplished within the controller, generally. Only an issue if you are trying to build your own controller which is relatively easy for PWM into a brushed motor, but more complex when building a three phase PMAC/BLDC setup. I couldn't even begin to design a good PMAC/BLDC controller. Just about everyone buys off the shelf controllers. So no biggie if you do that. Also keep in mind that brushless motors are safer when you have gasoline or propane appliances onboard, and some countries actually have rules against using these together. If you cook on diesel or electric, no biggie. Brushes can last a long time and are fairly easy to replace. Myself, I am in the brushless camp.

Hub motors is an interesting idea, but regular motors give you more flexibility in that you can go direct drive or geared/belted drive so that you can change the reduction ratio if you don't get it right the first time.

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Re: [Electric Boats] coronado 27 with torqeedo 1003

 

Most cheaper trolling motors have notoriously inefficient speed control circuitry. So one way around this is to bypass it all, and use a cheap PWM controller. This way you can use a higher voltage bank, too, and have "overvolt" power available when you need it and don't mind the extra wear and tear on the motor. The rest of the time just keep it down to rated power level and bobs yer uncle.

The cool thing about cheap trolling motors is, well, they are cheap. Cheap enough to carry a spare, ready to rock. The amount of cooling from the surrounding water depends on several factors, such as actual speed through the water, and water temp. A lot of guys get away with doubling the voltage. Let's just say, YMMV on that, and if you are engaging in risky electromechanical behavior, you should have a spare motor. You could also set it up as a twin screw, if you can find a left hand prop.

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Monday, June 27, 2016

RE: [Electric Boats] almost finished boat

 

Hello Hollis J -

 

As one of the few here who is both a steamboater and an electric boat owner, I'd like to give you some input.

Yes, that 23' Elliott Bay hull with a large, slow-turning prop will work wonderfully.

Yes, you'll likely need to put a reduction gear (or belting) in place to make that conversion of speed to torque work out.

Yes, there are lots of choices out there, including used golf-cart, fork lift or other motors.

And no, these are not uncharted waters----you should look at what Dan Pence has done with his 23' E.B. hull electric "Ginger".

Ginger: http://www.evalbum.com/97

 

Dan originally built and launched Ginger back in '98 and his boat was the inspiration for me converting my boat, The Reach Of Tide,  to electric.  Dan uses what he describes as a 2-speed fork lift motor (nom. 3HP rating?) that drives an inline gear reducer assembly and ultimately pushes a sleek but huge 20" x 26" 3-blade prop that he purchased also from Elliott Bay.  For perhaps 10 years Dan ran Ginger with three 36v strings of T-105's.  Yesterday, he re-launched a remodeled Ginger now with lithium batteries.

 

Anyway, email me offline and I can put you in contact with Dan if you'd like.

 

-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.

 

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I have for the past 4 years been building a 23 foot fantail launch.  The original plan was to power it with a steam engine and for that reason I modified the design to accommodate an 18 inch prop.  The more I learned about steam power the less enchanting it became and I am now far more inclined to use electric power but I know I have a lot to learn first.  Most of what I have done so far has been to look at web sites and make phone calls.  I was surprised to see the huge price difference between Elco and Thunderstruck and would wonder if anyone has some insight on that.  I have also seen a posting on the wooden boat forum about using a golf cart motor.  What other sources are out there?  My gut feeling is that the boat should be pushed with a low speed large prop but I do not know if that will require a reduction gear and I would like to learn more about what people use for props with electric power. Can electric deliver the torque for a large prop?  The other question I wonder about is the utility of solar panels.  The boat will have a roof that covers the entire 14 by 6 foot cockpit so there would be a lot of room for panels.  Do they charge well enough to extend cruising range to a full day?


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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: My Steel boat

 

I built it to live on it
But I have not done that yet
Are you,looking for a place to live?
Howard

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Awesome looking home! Where do you live? Year-round?
Maureen

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[Electric Boats] Re: My Steel boat

 

Awesome looking home! Where do you live? Year-round?
Maureen

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Saturday, June 25, 2016

[Electric Boats] Re: My Steel boat

 

Nice looking trawler!

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I have for the past 4 years been building a 23 foot fantail launch.  The original plan was to power it with a steam engine and for that reason I modified the design to accommodate an 18 inch prop.  The more I learned about steam power the less enchanting it became and I am now far more inclined to use electric power but I know I have a lot to learn first.  Most of what I have done so far has been to look at web sites and make phone calls.  I was surprised to see the huge price difference between Elco and Thunderstruck and would wonder if anyone has some insight on that.  I have also seen a posting on the wooden boat forum about using a golf cart motor.  What other sources are out there?  My gut feeling is that the boat should be pushed with a low speed large prop but I do not know if that will require a reduction gear and I would like to learn more about what people use for props with electric power. Can electric deliver the torque for a large prop?  The other question I wonder about is the utility of solar panels.  The boat will have a roof that covers the entire 14 by 6 foot cockpit so there would be a lot of room for panels.  Do they charge well enough to extend cruising range to a full day?

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Friday, June 24, 2016

[Electric Boats] Battery cable run concerns

 

As I'm about to replace my 48 volt battery bank. I'm also going to re position the new batteries for easier access to the terminals. But, I may have to run the 2 AWG battery cables on the top or close to one or two of the batteries. Is there any worry about damaging the batteries internally by running  these cables near them from the magnetic field generated under high amp loads over time? My feeling is no but, I thought I'd ask the group.


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Re: [Electric Boats] Electric Sidewheeler

 

I use the D135, lower Kt/Kv and gives me 900 RPM loaded on direct drive with 26.6V nominal Lithiums. See my earlier stats spreadsheet for recent static and open water tests. The D127 is used in the Thoosa systems I think.

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