Thursday, April 8, 2010

RE: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric conversion concepts

 

Graham from Hybrid Marine did a study a few years ago testing an ICE, Diesel
Electric, Serial Hybrid and Parallel Hybrid on the same vessel with all the
same parameters. You might still be able to find his results on the
internet.

In conclusion, the serial and parallel hybrids were ~40% more fuel efficient
at 3.0 knots, ~25% more at 4.0 knots and pretty much even at just over 4.5
knots. All systems remained pretty much even right up to the max speed of
6.5 knots (the serial and DE versions were <5% less efficient but close
enough).

His conclusion was to go with parallel and he partnered with Beta Marine to
go that route. My conclusion is that either is a good choice and still a
better bet over a straight ICE since you have so many opportunities to use
free electricity (eg solar) and it gives you yet another backup propulsion
system.

DaveH

-----Original Message-----
From: electricboats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:electricboats@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:13 PM
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric conversion concepts

You're right, there are many other factors that should be considered, but
I'll try to answer this at a generic level.

ICE engines suffer efficiency problems at lower speeds due to unfavorable
torque curves, but are more efficient at higher speeds.

Let's take a look at 2 types of drive systems.

First, a Yanmar 1GM10 that the manufacturer rates at 9hp/6.7kW. If propped
correctly, this engine should drive your 26' sailboat to hull speed at
3000rpm burning a little more than 1/3 gallon per hour. Slowing down to
1500rpm reduces the fuel consumption to less than 0.1 gph and should slow
the boat to 1/2 hull speed. Since diesel contains 38kWh/gal, then less than
1/10 gph is about 3kWh consumed.

Now lets look at the performance results from most of the typical drive
systems available today. A 5kW drive should drive your boat at 2.5-3kts
using less than 1000W. Do it for an hour, and you're under 1kWh consumed.
Some drives may draw only 600W (12.5A @ 48V) at this speed.

Therefore, at slow speeds the electric drive is between 3 to 5 times as
efficient as the diesel engine. Gasoline engines are considered to be less
efficient still. But, higher speeds leads to different results.

At hull speed (3000rpm), the diesel consumes 13kWh of fuel in an hour.
Alternatively, the electric drive will probably be close to full power or
may not be able to achieve hull speed at all. If the drive is consuming
5kWh from the batteries to produce the same speed, the electric drive is
only 2.5 times as efficient as the diesel engine at these power settings.

So its obvious that electric drives are way more efficient than ICE engines.
Our real challenge is the size of our fuel tanks (batteries). With only the
typical equivalent of less than 1 gallon of usable energy on board, our
range is limited, but more than 4-6 hours of slow speed is not unreasonable.
That can drop to about 1 hour at high speeds, reducing your range by a
factor of 2 or 3.

A diesel tank of merely 10 gallons provides a much greater safety factor.
That said, I didn't burn a whole gallon of fuel at one time in the first 10
years that I've owned my 30' ketch. So I think that electric drive makes
sense for the way I use my boat. It won't make sense for everyone, but this
fact is what finally convinced me to convert to electric. Time will tell if
I made the right choice...

Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, John Francis <surv69@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know if anyone can tell me how much energy(percentage-wise)
> of top-rated energy(such as optimum RPM's for an IC motor & optimum RPM's
> for an electric motor), a 26 boat(5000k) running at 1/2 hull speed, would
> require with a gasoline engine and an electric motor, respectively.
>
> I know the answer is dependent on more information, but what I'm trying to
> compare is if the economy(energy-wise)an electric motor running at much
less
> than hull-speed begins to somewhat approach the economy(energy-wise ) of
an
> IC engine, since the IC engine seems to require much more speed(RPM's) for
> the same amount of torque of an electric motor.
>
> I'm hoping that the electric motor will result in a much lower percentage
of
> the optimum/maximum to go 1/2 hull speed than a gasoline engine would,
such
> that an electric motor at the lower speeds might be 5, 6 or more times
more
> efficient than an IC engine would be.
>
>
> Just curious
>
> John Francis
> Pearson 26
> Port Clinton, Ohio
>

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