Dear All,
I agree with Scott Macmillan things are tough. BTW , I have been
delighted with my dealings with electric yacht.
Skip
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:40 PM, mtrgy <sdmcmillan@comcast.
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Though I certainly don't condone the business practice cited, let's not
> lose site of a few things. First and foremost, the recreational boating
> market has been especially hard hit by economic conditions. I have heard
> figures in the range of a 50%+ downturn.
>
> At Electric Yacht, we have had to scale back our plans and expectations. I
> strongly suspect that is true of others trying to make a go in this
> fledgling market.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I hope Scott gets his money back. Just don't forget
> that Mr Plank is probably seeing his dreams (maybe his life's savings) go up
> in smoke.
>
> To all of you who see the "light" of electric propulsion..
> are making progress...one boat at a time...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott McMillan
> Electric Yacht
>
>
> --- In electricboats@
> "skjenson@..
> >
> > --- In electricboats@
> captnlen <trikini2008@
> > >
> > Thanks.
> > Napa Scott
> >
> > > I would say if paid with PayPal they are your best bet. Recovered
> > > $1000 recently with their help.
> > >
> > > If your Credit Card is Linked to the Pay Pal they are your first line.
> > > BUT file a protest. elevate it, copy all your emails and documents to a
>
> > > text file and attach to the issue with them and then call weekly at
> least.
> > >
> > > Good Luck
> > >
> > > skjenson@ wrote:
> > > > Myles:
> > > > Thanks for your concern, I tried to give Kevin every opportunity to
> do the right thing, but he didn't. Hopefully I can recover my money through
> my credit card. If not I'll have to take legal action.
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@
> "Myles Twete" <matwete@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Scott-
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I also am sorry to hear this.
> > > >>
> > > >> While I would generally say let's hope this all gets made right for
> you, it
> > > >> sounds like you have waited a long time for that outcome.
> > > >>
> > > >> It certainly isn't right to be sent product AFTER asking for full
> refund
> > > >> instead of the product, whether or not it was new.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've heard almost exactly the same story recently from someone on
> the EV
> > > >> Discussion List recently also, regarding a different supplier.
> > > >>
> > > >> Bottom line for folks is to do your homework and even then, there
> are no
> > > >> guarantees as you have seen.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The Re-E-Power founder was on this list a couple years ago when he
> first
> > > >> came up with his propulsion pods.
> > > >>
> > > >> After several self-promotional emails I put him on moderated status
> and
> > > >> warned him (as I do others on this list now) not to post to this
> list
> > > >> unsubstantiated claims and almost daily performance test trial trips
> on his
> > > >> customer's boats. This is not a sounding board or focus group for
> > > >> manufacturers, dealers, researchers or marketers! Eventually Kevin
> left
> > > >> this list and I think started his own.more power to him. He was
> congenial
> > > >> throughout. As moderator of this list, the line is crossed when a
> business
> > > >> member of this group USES this list for their own gain regularly and
> > > >> especially when they diss the competition in unfair comparisons and
> don't
> > > >> provide publicly reviewable information about their product. This
> was
> > > >> somewhat the case with Re-E-Power and I warned Kevin at least a
> couple of
> > > >> times about it. I've also done the same most recently with Arby and
> his
> > > >> Advanced Marine Electric Propulsion (AMEP) brushless
> motor/controller. I'm
> > > >> all for supporting and celebrating good new products. Heck, I posted
> many
> > > >> reports noting my satisfaction with the Etek brush motor over the
> years.
> > > >> But when someone comes on this list and nearly immediately is
> promoting
> > > >> their new product, says it is available at a certain website for
> months and
> > > >> it isn't, does apples to oranges sea trial comparisons and raves on
> this
> > > >> list about it, then gets their first customers (often with comp'd
> > > >> hardware---i.
> about it,
> > > >> it's just not right.
> > > >>
> > > >> And it can be funny how blatant this can be. One gentleman arrived
> on this
> > > >> list merely a couple months ago asking for help repowering his
> sailboat and
> > > >> claiming to know nothing about the options or electric. We didn't
> hear from
> > > >> him much again until a mere 4-5 weeks later this summer when he
> posts to
> > > >> this list the great performance his sailboat is getting with the
> AMEP motor
> > > >> and then after the glowing report, begins promoting the motor and
> signs the
> > > >> email as the General Manager of AMEP. It's kind of funny.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> So let this not just be a lesson for buyers to beware.
> > > >>
> > > >> But to you dealers, manufacturers, promoters, installers and
> researchers who
> > > >> would use this list for your personal gain or self interest---we can
> be be
> > > >> your best friends and promoters or your worst nightmare. There are
> > > >> thousands on this list and very few have their posts moderated. If
> your
> > > >> customer isn't satisfied, I might not be able to stop their post to
> this
> > > >> forum.
> > > >>
> > > >> But if I find out that that alleged disgruntled customer wasn't
> really a
> > > >> customer, but really a shill for another manufacturer, and trust me,
> I will
> > > >> find out---you won't benefit from this strategy.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Again, I'm sorry to hear of this and let's keep this forum useful
> and
> > > >> truthful.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -Myles Twete, moderator, Electric Boats
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -- Live Long and Prosper
> > > Capt. Len Susman, retired
> > > Email : trikini2008@
> > > Still available mirror site
> > > http://trikini.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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