Eric,
I understand were your coming from on the electric drive for your Tri and not wanting the weight of the batteries. Something that the multi hullers should also consider is the fact that the multi's are much, much slipperier than the sleekest mono. The battery bank could be much smaller and if balanced in the hull or hulls on a Cat the weight would be noticed less in performance. I just bought a 26 Sitletto and will probably go electric with it, maybe a little different from the normal electric hung off the back or through a hull. I'll run the electric drive in a center pod under the deck and a long shaft on a pivot to extract totally while sailing. I can split the bank and install them closer to the center of the hulls for better weight distribution. I've been a mono sailor all my life and I'm kinda excited about having these 2 Cat's to play with... Dave K
From: Eric <ewdysar@yahoo.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 6:52:33 PM
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: more regen conversation
Larry,
As the most visible "regen naysayer" here, the link that you provided completely supports my previous premise.
According to the Whoosh site "... And since we average 5-6 kts, that's over 100 amp/hrs/day – for us quite possibly 150 amp/hrs/day – that is available for running the radar at night, making water with offshore water quality, feeding the SSB radio, and keeping the iPod charged..." So what does this mean? They get 100-150Ah at 12V in 24 hours, that's 1200-1800Wh in 24 hours or 50-75W at 5-6kts. They do say that the harvested water power is sufficicient for house loads, a statement that I wholeheartedly agree with.
My statement is (and always has been) that regen at speeds around 5kts is not a viable source of charging for a traction battery bank. The speed is important because most displacement auxilliary sailboats between 27-32 feet (optimal for a 5kW electric drive) have a hard time hitting sustained runs above 6 kts. For this size boat, average sailing speeds of about 5.5kts is more realistic.
So let's say that you use 4kWh of energy out of your 10kWh battery bank, that's about 10-12nm at 4kts in most of our boats. How far would you have to sail using the system described by Whoosh to bring your batteries back to full charge, assuming that you are using no electrical power in the mean time? Generating 75W at 6kts, that's 12.5Wh/nm. So 4kWh will take 320nm of sailing at 6kts and will take over 53 hours. Slow down to 5kts under sail and the recharge distance is up to 400nm and will take 80 hours. If you have a 12V house load of only 2A, the recharge times and distances double.
Ignoring house loads, the ratio of drive distance (at 4kts) to regen distance (at 5kts) is about 1 to 40. Motor one mile at 4kts (15 minutes) and you need to sail 40 miles at 5kts (8 hours) to get the charge back. If you use a radio, autopilot or lights, the ratio gets worse.
So regen works, but is not as effective at recharging your traction batteries as some drive vendors would like you to believe.
Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Doyle" <ldoyle@...> wrote:
>
> Here's to those NaySayers that say regen doesn't work. Here's some boats that are doing it using towed gens as well as the free wheeling the prop/dc motor in regen mode.
>
> www.svsarah.com/Whoosh/WhooshPacificPrepTowGenerator.html
>
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