Craig, and what, exactly, is your point and how does it relate to this group?
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Craig Carmichael <craig@...> wrote:
>
> How do you guys get me started?...
>
> >- we'll not be around to see what future folk decide about things
> >we've written into the records, and decide must have been an error.
>
> There were gold electroplated artifacts found in Egytian tombs. They
> were discarded - they had to be "fakes" since everybody "knew"
> electricity and electroplating were only discovered recently. Trouble
> is, they've now discovered remnants of some sort of batteries used by
> the ancient Babylonians... they probably did the electroplating for
> the Egyptians with those.
>
> Oops, where did those artifacts go?
>
> >- the biggest critics used to be ill educated know alls, and then we
> >got education for the masses, (well in developed countries anyway)
> >an now i think you'll find the biggest critics are those 'who know
> >better'.
>
> When Galileo looked through his telescope at Jupiter and found four
> new planets orbiting it in 1610, the university professors said that
> was ridiculous. Planets don't circle around other planets! And they
> refused to look through the telescope, saying it wasn't reliable for
> looking at heavenly things.
>
> But I don't think any generation since then has doubted that Jupiter
> has satellites.
>
> >- so you're overly kind when you say "scientists and engineers
> >who have arrived at their opinions by way of research and
> >experience." i number amongst them and have worked with and employed
> >both over many years and if you look at company surveys and research
> >conducted, both classes of people invent little but both specialise
> >in perfecting the work of others.
>
> In January 2005 we (NASA/ESA/Earth) parachuted a space probe
> (Huygens) to the surface of Saturn's orbiting planet Titan, where it
> splashed down in a couple of inches of liquid methane right on the
> top of a submerged 'dune'. (I studied the images, returns and
> articles for about 2-3 years.) All the evidence says there's liquid
> (methane) and profuse aquatic plant life at the landing site. Since
> then ongoing SAR radar images from the Cassini spacecraft (still
> orbiting Saturn) show the whole sphere is heavily forested with trees
> that dwarf Earth's trees in the low gravity. Compare with Google
> Earth: they look like forests of trees and like no other type of
> landscape.
>
> They pulled off this complex mission successfully and landed the
> Huygens and got back 1/2 of the data from it - Kudos! - but... So
> far, the scientists most involved still claim it was dry where
> Huygens landed (the so-called "raw" butchered images, accelerometer
> and GCMS data notwithstanding), that the things on and above the
> ground with stems are "ice rocks" (contrary "organic" GCMS data
> notwithstanding), and are still trying to figure out what the trees
> are. Mostly they still mouth the same theories about what Titan is
> like that they had before the mission took place, regardless of the
> data. Lately they decided lakes/seas of liquid methane in upper
> latitudes are real but the tidal, duney seas in the tropics still
> aren't, and they say there may be microorganisms because of hydrogen
> gas variation with altitude. But they steadfastly refuse to see a
> verdant world thumbing its nose in their faces.
>
> Today you don't get put under house arrest for seeing worlds orbiting
> Jupiter. But if you mention the word "life" on any quasi-serious
> space discussion list except on an abstract theoretical basis to do
> with some other solar system, you get booted off it. Any number of
> quoted references to findings by others to support the case are
> deemed to be "taken out of context" and disallowed, and all your
> writings are deemed "pseudo-science". If you can't dispute the words
> and ideas, a blanket discrediting of the author works well enough.
>
> My main "Living Titan" web site... http://www.saers.com/recorder/craig/titan/
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
> http://www.TurquoiseEnergy.com/
> Victoria BC
>
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