i understand, i just like getting the same answer from multiple approaches whenever i can find such alternatives.... i stumbled upon these new data while researching props... thank you for the input
From: Eric <ewdysar@yahoo.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:36 PM
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: please take a stab at sizing a motor....
Hi Michael,
For gasoline, the conversion is GPH = 0.0226 * HP / TE. Diesel contains 115% the BTUs of gasoline.
If we assume a 20% Thermal Efficiency for your engine at low RPM (just a guess), we get 1 * 0.20(TE) / 0.0226 = 8.8hp * 1.15 for diesel = 10.1hp
That's 7.6kW. If you look back at post #19718, my answer was that you could expect a 16kW drive to push your boat at 7kts. Half the power and slow down 1 knot means 6kts = 8kW. Two completely unrelated calculations that come up with the same answer +/- 5%. Weird, isn't it.
You can keep coming up with different ways to ask the question, but the answer is going to keep coming out the same.
At least this answer is better than the 43hp that you guessed on your next post...
Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Michael Mccomb <mccomb.michael@...> wrote:
>
> Alright, here is some info about a particular boat and from that I would like to determine what e-motor setup that would produce the same cruise speed.
>
> Speed: 6 knots via the following,
> Perkins 4-236 running at 1500 rpm turning a 24x9 prop
> 2.1 reduction drive
> 16 ton vessel
>
> the thing uses about 1 gal/hr diesel doing this
>
> the engine is rated at 65hp continuous but of course it is not running at that output level
>
> i've been searching around for some 4-236 output curves but not been able to find any to this point
>
> anyone care to take some guesses?
>
For gasoline, the conversion is GPH = 0.0226 * HP / TE. Diesel contains 115% the BTUs of gasoline.
If we assume a 20% Thermal Efficiency for your engine at low RPM (just a guess), we get 1 * 0.20(TE) / 0.0226 = 8.8hp * 1.15 for diesel = 10.1hp
That's 7.6kW. If you look back at post #19718, my answer was that you could expect a 16kW drive to push your boat at 7kts. Half the power and slow down 1 knot means 6kts = 8kW. Two completely unrelated calculations that come up with the same answer +/- 5%. Weird, isn't it.
You can keep coming up with different ways to ask the question, but the answer is going to keep coming out the same.
At least this answer is better than the 43hp that you guessed on your next post...
Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Michael Mccomb <mccomb.michael@...> wrote:
>
> Alright, here is some info about a particular boat and from that I would like to determine what e-motor setup that would produce the same cruise speed.
>
> Speed: 6 knots via the following,
> Perkins 4-236 running at 1500 rpm turning a 24x9 prop
> 2.1 reduction drive
> 16 ton vessel
>
> the thing uses about 1 gal/hr diesel doing this
>
> the engine is rated at 65hp continuous but of course it is not running at that output level
>
> i've been searching around for some 4-236 output curves but not been able to find any to this point
>
> anyone care to take some guesses?
>
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