The only time I was towed into a harbor was on a sailboat with a diesel.
Mark
Santa Cruz
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@...> wrote:
>
> Mike , people do sail without auxilery power yes , and survive.
> And they also do untold damage to the industry .
> There was a fairly elderly couple who came in to Port Fairy a few years back ,
> and caused chaos .
> Because they refused to be towed in , insisted on towing their boat up the river
> with their tender , and screwed up the operation of all of the charter boats ,
> and professional fishermen for the day.
> They are banned from the port now , and the harbourmaster is VERY suspicious of
> any sailboat that asks for a mooring in his port .
> Why ?, because some selfish elitist wouldn't accept that he is a hindrence , and
> expects everyone else to bend for him.
> I'll repeat , almost all of our 100+CG callouts a year are for outboard problems
> , never diesel , and the useage of the different type of engines over the year
> is probably 50-50.
> Yes , survival does depend on skill , but also having the foresight to do what
> is appropriate.
> And that means having a "PLAN B" , and fastidious care and maintenance.
> I can't believe you insist on recommending the use of a domestic Honda portable
> generator for serious blue water sailors , I find that incredible !.
> But , what more can I say ?.
> Nothing , without the moderator jumping on me.
> I certainly wouldn't even get on your boat , and I very much doubt if the Water
> Police here would let you leave the port , blue water sailing , with that setup.
> Regards Rob Johnson
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike <biankablog@...>
> To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 1:28:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Siandra unplugged
>
>
>
>
> Rob:
>
> There are many examples of people who have traveled thousands of miles on the
> seas and continue to travel without any engine at all. Lin and Larry Pardy come
> to mind. Survival at sea when things go bad on the water does not depend on any
> particular type of "auxiliary power" you have on board. Survival depends on the
> skills of the sailor and having a plan to deal with the conditions one finds
> themselves in. Depending on a diesel as a backup plan does not guarantee a safe
> outcome any more than relying on an electric propulsion system when the going
> gets rough. I've had my diesel fail on me a few times for various reasons from
> antifreeze leaks to a clogged intakes and filters. Luckily these failures did
> not happen in storm conditions. I also had a YIKES moment when I recently
> looked into my on board diesel fuel tank as I am converting it into a fresh
> water wash down tank:
> http://biankablog.blogspot.com/2011/04/in-tank-part-one-scene-of-grime.html
> I wonder how many other diesel tanks are in boats with this type of tar coating
> in their tanks just waiting for some rough conditions to dislodge it and clog
> the fuel lines.
> When I was deciding whether to switch to electric propulsion I did think about
> the ramifications of the limited range due to the battery bank storage issue.
> Would I be able to cruise the same way to the same places as when I had a
> diesel. Happily I find I can and the trip is much more pleasant than when I had
> a diesel. I decided to add the Honda 2000 into the charging mix because of this
> concern. Though I find that I am using it less than I originally thought I would
> to get me where I need to go. I think the problem with the Siandra conversion is
> they were using the 48 volt bank not only for electric propulsion but, to power
> their house bank too and they just wanted to use their limited solar and wind
> generator setup to recharge the batteries. I think they expected too much from
> the technology and were on also sold on the regen too which led to their
> dissappointment. I think a lot of their problems would have been solved with the
> addition of a small generator and at a much cheaper cost than going back to
> diesel. Their issue was with charging the battery bank not the reliability of
> the electric propulsion system
>
> Capt. Mike
> http://biankablog.blogspot.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/5/11, Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@...> wrote:
>
>
> >From: Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@...>
> >Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Siandra unplugged
> >To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 12:53 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >Richard , what is the percentage of people who have died in those situations ,
> >to those that survive ?.
> >Over the centuries , millions have died , for no other reason than they had
> >inadequate auxilery power.
> >We , in the Portland CG have 100 +rescues each year , almost all fuel or
> >electrical problems with outboards (never diesels).
> >No backup power , they had to be rescued.
> >That means someone else had to risk their lives , to help them.
> >I say , get it right the first time , don't deal with dreams and romance , deal
> >with facts.
> >The people on Siandra want to regain their independence , which they had lost
> >with their electric setup.They had been sold a pup.
> >And facts , I'm finding out , are hard to find , in this industry.
> >Time to forget the BS , and deal with cold hard reality.
> >Regards Rob J.
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Mair <fullkeel2000@...>
> >To: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 10:37:47 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Siandra unplugged
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >With a sailboat an engine is not always needed to get back to land..
> > Read about Yves adventures here
> >http://www.capehorn.com/sections/dematage/capsized.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@...>
> >To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 9:02:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Siandra unplugged
> >
> >
> >
> >Kevin , when talking about serious ocean going , then you have to consider all
> >possibilities , its not always possible to hide from bad weather.
> >About this time last year , a Czech was getting well in to the last leg of a
> >solo circumnavigation , from NZ to NZ.
> >He was in the Southern ocean , 800 or so NM south of here , when he was hit by a
> >storm , of a severity that he had never experienced before.
> >After 3 days , his boat pitch poled , breaking the mast , and clearing the deck
> >, including his life raft.
> >He had to stay below for another 2 days , before the weather abated enough for
> >him to come up , and survey the damage.
> >He had a boom left , he made up a little jury rig , and there was a fair amount
> >of diesel in his tank , so , over the next few weeks , he slowly made it to
> >Portland , Australia , motoring , motorsailing.
> >Tell me how he could have made it back here , by electric power.
> >The only way I can see is by using a serial , or parallel diesel hybrid ,
> >installed in the boat.
> >There is a lot to dislike about diesel , but the reality is its hard to beat ,
> >when the chips are down.
> >Regards Rob J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Kevin Pemberton <pembertonkevin@...>
> >To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sat, 4 June, 2011 9:30:53 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Siandra unplugged
> >
> >
> >
> >Like it or not, advertising or promoting something like re-gen that has shown
> >makes up little of what is used is a bad idea.
> >I have charmed in on the topic more than once just to remind people it is a pipe
> >dream. It is disappointing to read that someone that went to the trouble of
> >conversion went back to a complete dino system because someone sold them on such
> >a thing. I hope people on this list will continue to discourage the hope of
> >re-gen every time it is brought up. It has little to do with new tech and more
> >to do with selling something that has failed the test more than one time just to
> >make a buck.
> >
> >What you can expect from re-gen is:
> >
> >
> > * Lost WMG that seems to mean little till you are caught in a storm because you
> >failed to make port before the storm.
> > * finding that recovery didn't even keep the house lit.
> > * Finding that people that tried to discourage re-gen were right, and no
> >matter, you are disappointed with your results.Just remember energy has to come
> >from somewhere and all things moving require energy to do it. Most cruisers
> >spend much effort to keep out of natures way. They hide in port for the right
> >sailing conditions, and try to outrun any storm. So why consider re-gen? Sorry
> >for the rant.
> >
> >Kevin Pemberton
> >
> >On 06/03/2011 09:53 AM, acsarfkram wrote:
> >Hey Mike,
> >>
> >>I couldn't agree more, for me it would be depressing to go back to diesel or
> >>gasoline. Regen is a weak point(so far) and it seems a prop in an aperture is
> >>even more of a challenge. I can't shake the idea of a hydro-generator for regen
> >>on an electric auxiliary.
> >>
> >>I guess they must of gotten one of the older Sevcons that restricts
> >>forward/reverse shifting if the shaft is moving. They could have had the
> >>controller re-programed or have done what I did with the shaft brake. The brake
> >>would have also taken care of the freewheeling prop issue.
> >>
> >>Mark
> >>Santa Cruz
>
>
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