Stephan, My advice is to read and understand the book "The Nature of Boats" by Dave Gerr--it is an easy read and full of great information on how different types of boats operate. Without background knowledge on basic hull performance principles you won't able able to fully comprehend and utilize the well meaning support and ideas of others.
You have a deep vee boat designed to run fast through rough water--in order to do that, that hull sacrifices ALL elements necesary for an efficient electric boat. So with that hull, one mile, maybe five miles, sure--expensive but doable. Twenty, thirty--never. Ever. Good luck. Tom
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Stephan Hinni <hinni_mb@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for for your calculations, you explained it good and they make sense to me. But cheese, the outcome doesn't look very good for me, does it?
> I know it's not going to be an easy task that conversion, that's why I am here and ask for support and ideas.
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> Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Power Boat Conversion
> To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
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