T-Pain Is On A Boat: Re: [Electric Boats] Shopping For new battery bank help requested!!

I love mine, did a good vibration free installation, 2/0 wiring, with the newest control box, from Golden Motor HPM 48 (volt) 5000 set up, and my special order info. guy, Mr. Johnson Liu. I bought two systems, and have some plans for another use, the same motor works on small cars, OB's, motorcycles, and shaft power drives. Shipping cost is high, of course, almost equal to the system cost but same for all buyers. Mine is a good size for most "hull speed" type boats, at around 3000 lb wet max., but there are several sizes of kits, as Mr. Johnson knows. Complete motor kit is – motor, controls set, battery pack, wiring, full capacity 48v. charger, basic parts without my own easy motor block removal, some boat install labor. Different hulls, or waters, different power needs, eh.

Motor delivered, for my 18' cabin cruiser $1,800.

Battery pack marine – MY choice is lead, $700.

Shop conversion work, – pro painted $1,100.

Charger 48 volt 15 a. main wiring 2/0 $300.

TOTAL –-- $ 3,900. for the right stuff.

I am not an engineer, just like using off the shelf proven stuff, with local common sense labor, at lower cost. I see a way to drop $1000., from the above, but you get less power, less battery time , no fine details, use rattle can paint. I was offering new marine sealed batteries as matched packs, and way good warranty, DEKA battery packs at wholesale, but nobody took me up on that last year, so I dropped the sales deal with the company. Now they at around 40% more, less hassle here for sure.

Currently have three EV boats, 17', 12', and 8' --- good luck with yours !! ------- Cal

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Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Shopping For new battery bank help requested!!

Thanks, I enjoyed going through your information. I am curious, what did your electric motors cost you and how do you like them.

On Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:18 PM, "James Sizemore james@deny.org [electricboats]" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I went with the high efficiency flexible panels. I recommend Grape because they are a U.S. Registered company and the are sold by Costco and Home Depot, so they should stay financially stable.

http://www.grapesolar.com/images/pdf/small-off-grid-manuals/PhotoFlex-100W.pdf

With the limited space on a boat you want to stay with the highest efficiency you can. And the flex panel are very light so they don't add a lot of weight high on the boat which could effect your sea worthiness.

See my blog for how I did mine.

Http://www.deny.org

On Feb 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Scott Isbell isbell1s@yahoo.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks for your response, I have not bought a boat yet but am looking at the 45'-50' range probably a 15' beam. I dont need to travel fast 5 knots would probably be sufficient since I will have the diesel motor in reserve in case of an approaching storm. I was looking at the 80hp motor, but am looking at doing it as economically as possible. I am a mechanic and electrician so can probably do most of the work my self. My end goal is to use solar and wind turbin to charge my system and not rely on marinas. Do you have recomendations on solar panel suppliers and batteries.

Thanks,

Scott Isbell

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 8:16 PM, "Owner hallospaceboy93@yahoo.com [electricboats]" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Glad to offer some of my research. You likely will save money if you are a DIY kind of individual. I am, but have NO experience on this so I went with a builder. It's being installed now. I know you will need more power vs my 32 foot monohull. Unfortunately that likely means more $$ (like anything on a bigger boat). There is Elco and Torqeedo on the very high cost side, and the Thoosa systems on the lower end. I personally feel the best two guys in the biz right now from my standpoint are Mike from Electric Yacht and James from Electroprop. Both are very experienced and will know exactly what you need. My build is one of James' brand new line but it was a very very tough choice between the two companies/individuals. Best of luck!!

On 02/01/2015 09:06 AM, Scott Isbell isbell1s@yahoo.com [electricboats] wrote:

unfortunately I dont have any info for you, but was hoping you can give me some. I am prepairing to convert one engine in a 50' trawler and was wondering what size boat you are working on and who you got your motor through. Did you piece meal your system or did you buy a kit. Any suggestions from anybody on what parts or systems to by would be appreciated. I plan to cruize on the electric motor and use the petro motor for backup. I did some research and was quoted $90k from one manufaacturer, I dont have any where near that kind of money, so I am hoping you fellow converters can give me some suggestions on equipment at a reasonable price.

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:20 PM, "Owner hallospaceboy93@yahoo.com [electricboats]" mailto:electricboats@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Wow, I learned a lot from your timely post Jason! Wasn't aware of issues with lithium across borders (though not surprised.) I need to get a whole new 48v bank for my new electric motor going in and I've been only looking at AGM: Lifeline 8d [GPL-8DL (255 Ah)] and Odyssey PC1800 in my narrowed search.

I'm surprised how hard it has been to even web search places to find info and prices on lithium/Lifepo4. I looked up that company and they also had a link over to a FL based one (where my boat is far closer to). A copy/paste of "SP-LFP100AHA" brought up shopping sites! There, I found 12v versions and some are actually CHEAPER than the AGMs I've seen! I'm soooo new at this and would love the reduced weight load of Lithium if the AGM price difference is minimal.

Any suggested shopping sites for obtaining my batteries? Either local to Fl or shipping to? Thanks to all of you who've gone EV before me!
-w

On 01/31/2015 08:50 AM, Jason Taylor jt.yahoo@jtaylor.ca [electricboats] wrote:

It's 16x SP-LFP100AHA cells with the miniBMS and EV Display SOC meter from CleanPowerAuto.

Everything was purchased from Canadian Electric Vehicles in BC.

Including taxes and shipping to Quebec, it came in at about $3000 Canadian.

The cells themselves were $135cdn each.

I wanted to deal with a Canadian company for the cells, so that I could avoid any hassles with importing an shipping lithiums across borders. I think I did well to go that route. Shipping was under $200 (Victoria,BC to Montreal,QC!) with pick-up at the trucking depot. Randy at CanEV was great to deal with. I recommend him wholeheartedly.

More than lead acid? Yup.

More than quality AGMs? Not by much.

My pack is 4 banks of 4 cells, each weighing 30lbs. Installed behind the engine, it's a simple affair to pick them up with one hand and remove them for the winter. They are currently sitting their shipping crate in my basement, waiting for our < -20C winter temps to go away.

Lithiums are the way to go.

Cheers,

/Jason

On Jan 29, 2015, at 09:39, 'Richard Sanders' rsandersemail@gmail.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Jason,

If I do the math correctly that would be around 104 Amp hours at 48 volts. If I may ask, how much do you think you have into that pack in cost?

Thanks,

Ric Sanders

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Charging batteries in series?

NiFe chemistry is ideal for fixed off-grid situations. In a zombie apocalypse, I would love the ever-loving snot out of a NiFe battery pack. Lye for the electrolyte can be made onsite from filtering water through wood ash. So these cells can be terminal shorted, or charged until they boil dry, then rebuilt and be good to go. But for a sailboat? I'll keep my 125lb 5kwh lithium pack, thanks. It will be good for more cycles than I'll have my boat, even though I hope to keep her a very long time.

In an off-grid house at resale, the state of the battery pack is a big unknown and will therefore impact the price, like a roof at the end of its life... NiFe iron batteries can just be topped up or have the electrolyte replaced and be good to go. So I doubt they would lose their value with time.

/Jason

On Jan 29, 2015, at 01:14, 'Myles Twete' matwete@comcast.net [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Regarding NiFe batteries, Jeff indicated:

"Wow, this *is* interesting. I'm looking at the spec sheet for the 300Ah cell at 1.2v. So for 48v I would need 40 of them, and at 23.1 lbs per cell, that is close to 900lbs of battery :) Using their pricing page it looks like that pack would cost $11,400. Has anyone used these for EV applications yet? I do love the idea that you can abuse the crap out of them. They claim 11,000 cycles."

Jeff- Such a pack would yield just shy of 15kwh and cost almost 1.5x what my 30kwh of ex-THINK EnerDel lithium modules cost (3x kwh/$). My pack weighs about 650# (3x kwh/#). If you have $11k for batteries, there are lots of options available to you.

As for cycle life, for pleasure boat use, more than a thousand cycles seems like a multi-lifetime concern and value. I mean, how many of us charge our packs more than 3x per month on average? I'd guess that with PbA, I was at about 30 charge cycle per year usage. Now with a larger lithium pack, I probably am looking at 15-20 charge cycles per year. My pack is likely good to 2000 cycles with still 80% capacity after that---i.e. these lithium batteries' won't be seeing that cycle life for the next 100 years and will more likely die from some other fate before then.

I couldn't place a value on 11,000 cycles for a pleasure boat battery pack unless it were also my commute boat or I otherwise got it out every day of the year for 35 years and had to recharge it daily.

-Myles