Monday, October 18, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?

 

Steve, I could use some help getting a few things. I need a 12v aux thermostat for a Colman fridge.and a simple solar panel to keep one 12v battery charged (not using much elec). Until I can get the larger panels.

Dan

--- On Sat, 10/16/10, Steve Spence <steve@green-trust.org> wrote:

From: Steve Spence <steve@green-trust.org>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 6:40 PM

65ah * 61 = 3965ah (@12v. multiply 61 * 4 (244 batteries) for 48v)

this would power a 200 amp load for 10 hours or so.

http://www.green-trust.org/peukert/

Steve Spence
Renewable energy and self sufficiency
http://www.green-trust.org
http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com/



On 10/16/2010 07:20 PM, Kirk Mason wrote:

>
> So, when a motor manufacturer says his 48 volt motor is capable of
> handling up to 200 amps, to provide that kind of amperage from the kind
> of batteries described here, one would need 16 of them?
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/16/10, Dave /<dasilvor@rarius.co.uk>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Dave <dasilvor@rarius.co.uk>
>     Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
>     To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 1:35 PM
>
>       Well spotted Carel, I didn't see the other half of the question.  :-)
>
>     The use of the higher voltage set up reduces the size of the wiring
>     required. If you are going to draw 260amps your wiring will have to be
>     much heavier than if you are drawing 65. I would think though that
>     Carels final option would be the most useful. 16 batteries, in a 4 by 4
>     block.
>
>     Cheers
>     Dave
>
>
>
>     On 16/10/2010 13:47, Carel Ruysink wrote:
>     > Dave is correct.
>     >
>     > For the second part of your question;
>     > If you have 4 batteries 12V/65Ah in series you get a battery of
>     48V/65Ah.
>     > If you have 4 batteries 12V/65Ah parallel you get a battery of
>     12V/260Ah.
>     > If you want 48V/260Ah you need 16 batteries, ie. 4 rows of 4
>     batteries.
>     >
>     > If you discharge at a higher rate than C10 (or C20 as some
>     manufacturers use) than are the usefull amps less or discharging at
>     a lower rate it will be more (peukert effect).
>     > Do not use more than 50% of the rated Ah or you will ruin your
>     batteries in no time.
>     >
>     > Carel.
>     >
>     >    ----- Original Message -----
>     >    From: Dave
>     >    To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
>     <http://us.mc545.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
>     >    Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:27 PM
>     >    Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >    What the figures mean is that the maximum amps you can safely
>     drag out
>     >    of the battery for cranking an engine over (etc) is 950amps.
>     Below a
>     >    certain temperature (no idea what that will be, but the
>     manufacturer
>     >    will provide that info) that figure drops to 750amps. The final
>     figures
>     >    is how long you can draw a certain number of amps before the
>     battery is
>     >    flat. This last figure is usually calculated at a ten hour rate
>     (C10),
>     >    so theoretically you can draw six and a half amps for ten hours
>     on a
>     >    fully charged battery. As soon as you increase the discharge
>     rate, you
>     >    lose capacity. So if drawing thirteen amps, it will probably
>     only last
>     >    four hours instead of the expected five.
>     >
>     >    I hope this helps.
>     >
>     >    Cheers
>     >    Dave
>     >
>     >    PS.. I've been lurking for a while so thought I ought to start
>     >    chipping in. I used to race electric model boats, so am
>     facinated by the
>     >    idea of having a boat with electric propulsion. My long term
>     goal it to
>     >    have a narrowboat on the UK canals using an electric drive
>     perhaps in
>     >    the same configuration as a diesel electric train to improve fuel
>     >    consumption.
>     >
>     >    On 16/10/2010 13:12, Kirk Mason wrote:
>     >    >  My 12-volt Optima AGM batteries have three Amp ratings: 950
>     cranking amps; 750 cold cranking amps; and 65 amp hours.
>     >    >
>     >    >  When it comes to relating that to motor specs, to which do I
>     refer?
>     >    >
>     >    >  Say I have four of them wired in series for 48 volts. Does
>     that mean my battery pack has 260 amp hours?
>     >    >
>     >    >  Is that what manufacturers mean when they say their motor is
>     rated for 48 volts and 200 amps?
>     >    >
>     >    >  Thanks,
>     >    >
>     >    >  Kirk
>     >    >
>     >    >
>     >    >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
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