Monday, October 18, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?

 

Thanks Steve, I'll check 'em out.
 
Kirk

--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Steve Spence <steve@green-trust.org> wrote:

From: Steve Spence <steve@green-trust.org>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 11:33 PM

Lifeline has 255 ah 12v AGM batteries. I use them in off grid
applications. http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/marinedeepcycle.php

Steve Spence
Renewable energy and self sufficiency
http://www.green-trust.org
http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com/



On 10/17/2010 07:20 PM, Kirk Mason wrote:

>
> Jim,

> Thanks!  Can you recommend a similarly-sized battery I can use in a set
> of four that will have a lot more available amps?

> Kirk
>
> --- On *Sun, 10/17/10, luv2bsailin /<luv2bsailin@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: luv2bsailin <luv2bsailin@yahoo.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
>     To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
>     Kirk,
>     It depends on how long you want to run at 200A. You might get 10 or
>     15 minutes out of one (or any number in series) of those 65AH
>     batteries running at that level.
>     I believe you said you already have an E-tek motor and four 65 AH
>     Optimas, right? Those batteries will be your limiting factor, not
>     the motor, so that 200A number doesn't mean much.
>     My "eyeball estimation" is that those batteries will give you about
>     an hour's duration at 2 horsepower (30A at 48V), with the occasional
>     shot of 3 or 4 HP for maneuvering included. The motor will be
>     comfortably loafing along at those power settings. If you run harder
>     or longer than that you'll eat up those batteries pretty fast.
>     Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>     >
>     >
>     > On 10/16/2010 07:20 PM, Kirk Mason wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > So, when a motor manufacturer says his 48 volt motor is capable of
>     > > handling up to 200 amps, to provide that kind of amperage from
>     the kind
>     > > of batteries described here, one would need 16 of them?
>     > >
>     > > --- On *Sat, 10/16/10, Dave /<dasilvor@...>/* wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >     From: Dave <dasilvor@...>
>     > >     Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
>     > >     To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
>     <http://us.mc1130.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
>     > >     Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 1:35 PM
>     > >
>     > >       Well spotted Carel, I didn't see the other half of the
>     question.  :-)
>     > >
>     > >     The use of the higher voltage set up reduces the size of the
>     wiring
>     > >     required. If you are going to draw 260amps your wiring will
>     have to be
>     > >     much heavier than if you are drawing 65. I would think
>     though that
>     > >     Carels final option would be the most useful. 16 batteries,
>     in a 4 by 4
>     > >     block.
>     > >
>     > >     Cheers
>     > >     Dave
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >     On 16/10/2010 13:47, Carel Ruysink wrote:
>     > >     > Dave is correct.
>     > >     >
>     > >     > For the second part of your question;
>     > >     > If you have 4 batteries 12V/65Ah in series you get a
>     battery of
>     > >     48V/65Ah.
>     > >     > If you have 4 batteries 12V/65Ah parallel you get a battery of
>     > >     12V/260Ah.
>     > >     > If you want 48V/260Ah you need 16 batteries, ie. 4 rows of 4
>     > >     batteries.
>     > >     >
>     > >     > If you discharge at a higher rate than C10 (or C20 as some
>     > >     manufacturers use) than are the usefull amps less or
>     discharging at
>     > >     a lower rate it will be more (peukert effect).
>     > >     > Do not use more than 50% of the rated Ah or you will ruin your
>     > >     batteries in no time.
>     > >     >
>     > >     > Carel.
>     > >     >
>     > >     >    ----- Original Message -----
>     > >     >    From: Dave
>     > >     >    To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
>     <http://us.mc1130.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
>     > >
>        <http://us.mc545.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
>     > >     >    Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:27 PM
>     > >     >    Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Which Amperage?
>     > >     >
>     > >     >
>     > >     >
>     > >     >    What the figures mean is that the maximum amps you can
>     safely
>     > >     drag out
>     > >     >    of the battery for cranking an engine over (etc) is
>     950amps.
>     > >     Below a
>     > >     >    certain temperature (no idea what that will be, but the
>     > >     manufacturer
>     > >     >    will provide that info) that figure drops to 750amps.
>     The final
>     > >     figures
>     > >     >    is how long you can draw a certain number of amps
>     before the
>     > >     battery is
>     > >     >    flat. This last figure is usually calculated at a ten
>     hour rate
>     > >     (C10),
>     > >     >    so theoretically you can draw six and a half amps for
>     ten hours
>     > >     on a
>     > >     >    fully charged battery. As soon as you increase the
>     discharge
>     > >     rate, you
>     > >     >    lose capacity. So if drawing thirteen amps, it will
>     probably
>     > >     only last
>     > >     >    four hours instead of the expected five.
>     > >     >
>     > >     >    I hope this helps.
>     > >     >
>     > >     >    Cheers
>     > >     >    Dave
>     > >     >
>     > >     >    PS.. I've been lurking for a while so thought I ought
>     to start
>     > >     >    chipping in. I used to race electric model boats, so am
>     > >     facinated by the
>     > >     >    idea of having a boat with electric propulsion. My long
>     term
>     > >     goal it to
>     > >     >    have a narrowboat on the UK canals using an electric drive
>     > >     perhaps in
>     > >     >    the same configuration as a diesel electric train to
>     improve fuel
>     > >     >    consumption.
>     > >     >
>     > >     >    On 16/10/2010 13:12, Kirk Mason wrote:
>     > >     >    >  My 12-volt Optima AGM batteries have three Amp
>     ratings: 950
>     > >     cranking amps; 750 cold cranking amps; and 65 amp hours.
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >  When it comes to relating that to motor specs, to
>     which do I
>     > >     refer?
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >  Say I have four of them wired in series for 48
>     volts. Does
>     > >     that mean my battery pack has 260 amp hours?
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >  Is that what manufacturers mean when they say their
>     motor is
>     > >     rated for 48 volts and 200 amps?
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >  Thanks,
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >  Kirk
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >    >
>     > >     >
>     > >     >
>     > >     >
>     > >
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