Sunday, October 10, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] Want to convert a glasstron 184 to electric. Any advice?

 

Already have such à setup with an inflatable.
This is why i am so enthousiast about electric.

Today i saw a polyester 12ft for an outboard.
I intend to buy that one, and build me an outboard with à mars or etek 8-10 hp.
À bit like the aquavolt outboards.
Amy racommendations om such à setup?
Thnx.


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Op 10 okt 2010 om 11:01 heeft Steamboat Willie <stmbtwle@yahoo.com> het volgende geschreven:\

 

If you want a "cheap" introduction into electric boating get a canoe and hang a trolling motor on it.  It's a nice little setup for 1-2 people and cruising the backwaters.  Great for critter-watching and fishing too as they're very stealthy.   Depending on the batteries you install it's good for several hours cruising/fishing.  You can put the whole thing together for under $1k. 

After the bug bites you though....

--- On Sun, 10/10/10, stef <stefwesbeek@tiscali.nl> wrote:

From: stef <stefwesbeek@tiscali.nl>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Want to convert a glasstron 184 to electric. Any advice?
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 3:22 AM

 

okay, thanks for the advice.

I don't have 5G to spend, and want to do it as " cheap" as possible, since it's a hobby...
I do have the batteries however, and i " need"  to buy the electric motor.

When i look at the locan  craigslist-like selling sites, and the local boatshops, there are a lot of funny family boats for sale.
What's reasonable in prive, are the 12-15 ft polyester boats, like the corsiva models.
Also aluminum fishing boats and Jon's. All weighing 300-500 pounds. Water depth max. one foot.
Are these boats (flat buttom, to light curved bottom) the hulls i would want?

I rather have a nice electric inboars, but the alternative is an outboard, dump the engine, and make a nice Mars or Etek on it.
Any ideas on plans like that?

Where can i find more info, books, etc. instead of keeping asking Q's at you guys? :)

Thanks for all the info and effort taken to answer all my newbee questions :)




Op 10 okt 2010, om 04:24 heeft dennis wolfe het volgende geschreven:

 



I wouldn't do it.  A deep V hull is designed to go fast (with a lot of HP) and ride relatively smoothly over waves.  Your boat has 165 hp and the engine, I/O and a full tank of gas weigh less than 1000#.  It can probably run a couple of hours at wide open throttle, maybe 40 mph.  The total boat weight is around 2000#.
 
165 hp = 120 kW, this much power for 2 hours = 240 kWh.  A 60# lead battery holds 1.3 kW and costs $100 to $250.  For equal power you would need 185 of these batteries; over 5 tons and $20,000!  This is why there are no practical electric speed boats.
 
If you had around $5000 to spend on an electric drive system, including batteries, you would want a displacement hull, like a sail boat, around 18 to 24 feel long.  You would be able to cruise around at 5-6 mph for 5-7 hours on a charge.  If that is the kind of boating you want to do electric would be a good choice.  There is no substitute for the magic of moving along in near silence but you pay a steep price in speed and range potential.
 
Denny
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Stef Mob.
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Want to convert a glasstron 184 to electric. Any advice?

 

So, in short words: don't do it?

Is there a equation point? In other words: with a dc motor of xxx hp, it Will be great?
Or do i just need to look for an other (type of) boat.
I thought a V-hull would be great? ( as they make a speed boat of it...?)

How can i compare gas and electric motor power with eachother?

Thanks.


Op 9 okt 2010 om 22:49 heeft "dennis wolfe" <dwolfe@dropsheet.com> het volgende geschreven:\

 

First do this thought experiment:  Take out the old motor (500#?), add 1200 lbs batteries.  Now clamp a 10 Hp outboard on. Put on really good ear plugs.   At WOT you would get maybe 6-7 mph for 60 - 90 minutes.  Maybe 4x run time at 4-5 mph.  That's what your electric boat will be like.  If that seems good to you go ahead.  You are looking at several thousand dollars for a motor and controller that big.  You would need a hefty charger too.
 
Old deep V fiberglass hulls are a dime a dozen but are the worst possible hull form for efficient electric power.  A boat shaped like a big canoe (think old sail boat sans keel) is the best design for easy propulsion.
 
Denny
 
----- Original Message -----
From: stef
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:22 AM
Subject: [Electric Boats] Want to convert a glasstron 184 to electric. Any advice?

 

Hello,
I've been leeching the group for a few months now, and became enthousiast in electric boating.
Currently have a inflatable with an little outboard electric, and i really love the silence, and the ease of boating. (never expected that..)

Now, i can get 32 batteries AGM 12V 80Ah for free from a relative (4 years old, come from a no-break system), so i want to convert a boat to electric.
Currently, i found a Glasstron 184 with a broken engine, but in exellent shape, and overhauled tailpiece.

Can anyone give me advice about motorising this speedboat?
I was leaning towards a 10 to 20Hp series wound dc at 96 volts, with 3 battery banks in parallel, giving me 96V and 240Ah.

Any ideas, or recommendations, before i actually purchase the boat?

Biggest question is if the hull of the boat is capable of being thrusted by electric, instead of the original 165Hp six cilinder inline...

Many thanks!






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