T-Pain Is On A Boat: Re: [Electric Boats] "Batteries Not Included"

I'll stick with my intial post after checking out Jame's link, "OMG".

eric SV Meander

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Julian Webb <julian.proto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi James
>
> - I've learned over the years that while naivety has it's charm, all you
> are going to attract in an open forum mentioning the topics you have is
> predictably, being told by those who know, that you don't.
> - Especially as it appears you are at the early, steep part of the learning
> curve.
>
> - So many important breakthroughs were made by loners trying what they
> shouldn't, that I personally have always tried something if it seemed like
> it "just might work", and would always encourage everyone to. If it doesn't
> work you should still learn a lot along the way.
>
> - I have never tried the Roto-Verter myself but if you want to experiment
> why pay someone else to stitch it together for you. I attach a .pdf that
> shows it clearly.
>
> - The "you can't get out more than you put in" line, is exactly what I was
> talking about in an earlier email. The phrase "in an isolated or closed
> system" common to energy Laws is itself a self limiter, as it assumes we
> can quantify, measure or even detect all forms or energy, and who is
> arrogant enough to state that they know all energies and their
> manifestations that our universe has to offer.
> - Science now acknowledges Dark energy and Vacuum energy, but as yet we
> cannot measure or detect with any accuracy either of them, so who dares to
> be stupid enough to say that they are not affecting any given device or
> arrangement.
>
> - The other favourite is to use misuse or misquote formulae, most times not
> on purpose, again it's that they are not properly understood by those who
> quote them.
> - A common one is to use Energy equations without including a time
> component. This is incorrect and misleading as it apparently "proves" that
> a given system or circuit has limited energy.
>
> - The most fun I've had for a long time was by chance, watching an
> Electrical Engineer at a University use Ohms, Faradays, Lenzes and Joules
> Laws and formulas to prove over unity in a system with high Back EMF. For
> an hour they tried everything they could to prove him wrong, but they
> simply could not, mainly because he was right, and pathetically they then
> asked him to leave. He had made them feel uncomfortable and insecure.
> - After he was gone there was a round of laughter and comments of "I don't
> how he did it but it had to be a trick". It's just as well the Law makers,
> Faradays etc that they quote had bigger minds and smaller egos than those
> supposed teachers!
>
> - Enough of my ramblings but you are "leading with your jaw" and on open
> forums you will not get anything but pity and sarcasm, if you're lucky.
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2013 12:55, Carter Quillen <twowheelinguy@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > James,
> >
> > Your questions have easy answers but you're not going to like them:
> >
> > .... How much usable energy can be extracted from the rotoverter running
> > on 120vac @3500 rpm and what size capacitors are best suited for this?
> > *None, you can't get more out than you put in, PERIOD! And no capacitor,
> > not even a flux capacitor, is going to change that. This is a classic
> > perpetual motion setup and it simply doesn't work the way you think it
> > should. I don't care what the guy on the website says. He's selling 21st
> > century snake oil.
> > *
> > .... How much energy loss through dc/ac conversions
> > *Doesn't matter because the rotoverter isn't going to give you any usable
> > energy, only the losses of converting from 120V to 12V *
> >
> > .... How much usable energy can be extracted using Radient/Ambient
> > collectors and what size do they need to be in relation to the vessel?
> > *Very little and what you will get, if anything, will be measured in
> > milliWatts if not microWatts. Won't be enough energy to run your stern
> > light. There simply isn't that much energy to capture,unless your boat is
> > under a high voltage transmission line and then you would be stealing from
> > the utility. If there was enough energy floating around to be captured and
> > used we would all probably get cancer. *
> >
> > .... The electrolysis effect on stainless steel, copper, aluminum in
> > direct relation to their life span, also the energy collected per square
> > foot in direct relation to the collection and storage of said energy.
> > *Again, doesn't matter because you're only going to get a few Watts off
> > something like this at most. This type of setup MIGHT be able to run your
> > stern light but even that is doubtful and certainly not worth the effort
> > and expense. *
> > **
> > I know you don't want to believe what I'm telling you but it's true. If
> > you like you can go and spend the time and money to prove it to yourself
> > but you'll still get the same answers. You can't break the First Law of
> > Thermodynamics and there's no free lunch.
> >
> > Focus on trying to build a good hybrid solar powered electric drive system
> > for old boats. That could be a ticket to success if you do it well because
> > people get very excited about solar boats. The idea of a never ending free
> > solar gas tank is very seductive, it works, and people will buy it if it
> > becomes available at reasonable prices.
> >
> > Carter Quillen, P.E.
> > www.shipofimagination.com
> > *From:* james4078 <james4078@...>
> > *To:* electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2013 1:34 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [Electric Boats] "Batteries Not Included"
> >
> > Thanks for your input Willi
> > There is no answers to the questions that I am asking.
> > That is the main reason for this venture, to get some questions answered.
> > As the video states "we know how much solar panels produce per square
> > foot, How much a generator produces"
> > The world as a whole has been pumping RF energy into the atmosphere for
> > over 100 years. Tesla figured out how to tap into that.
> > The US Navy has a bunch of data on the electrolysis effect to their
> > vessels.
> > Extracting excess energy out of the winding of an electric motor through
> > capacitor and resistors maybe new but there is not much data on this
> > subject as a few other that I am working on.
> > Any way I am looking to get some questions answered.
> > If you have some answers that I already don't know... I'd love to hear
> > them.
> >
> > As for the math.... It can't be done with missing data.
> > The basics we know:
> > .... How much energy needed to push a boat through the water at hull
> > speed. (48 vdc @ 200 amps)
> > .... How much energy needed to run a 8kw generator @3500 rpm
> > .... How much energy per square foot achieved from PV cells
> > Questions we don't have answers to:
> > .... How much usable energy can be extracted from the rotoverter running
> > on 120vac @3500 rpm and what size capacitors are best suited for this?
> > .... How much energy loss through dc/ac conversions
> > .... How much usable energy can be extracted using Radient/Ambient
> > collectors and what size do they need to be in relation to the vessel?
> > .... The electrolysis effect on stainless steel, copper, aluminum in
> > direct relation to their life span, also the energy collected per square
> > foot in direct relation to the collection and storage of said energy.
> > These are some of the major questions I am faced with.... If you have
> > answers... I'd love to hear them.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "stmbtwle" <stmbtwle@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry James but I have to agree with Julian. Have you done the math?
> > If you want to charge your batteries by plugging into shore power you may
> > have a nice electric boat, but you won't be able to fit enough solar panels
> > or a big enough windmill to provide the power you need. "Rotoverter",
> > "Ambient energy", "Radiant energy", "Electrolytic energy" all go in the
> > same file with "Perpetual Motion".
> > >
> > > Folks don't like to think about it, but there's a REASON our electric
> > utilities haven't already switched over to those devices.
> > >
> > > Willie
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "james4078" <james4078@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the words of wisdom.
> > > > I have a few emails that I would rather soon forget but that comes
> > with the territory.
> > > > I was kind of hoping to get a better reaction from this group than
> > some of the others.
> > > > With 3845 members you would think that most would like to get some new
> > information on a project such as this.
> > > > Well I will be glad to hear from you and as always do what you can
> > when you can.
> > > > Thanks for the help
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Julian Webb <julian.proto@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hi james
> > > > >
> > > > > - just had a read of your crowd funding page, and my first piece of
> > advice
> > > > > is to be very careful of your wording there, here and everywhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > - i'm not sure what your actual energy
> > source/plan/generating/harnessing
> > > > > ideas are but unless you want to be written off, ridiculed, abused
> > or at
> > > > > best condescendingly lectured to, don't ever use the word "energy"
> > in the
> > > > > same sentence with other words such as "alternative", "unlimited" or
> > heaven
> > > > > forbid "free".
> > > > >
> > > > > - irrespective of what you meant, it will be assumed you that you
> > have
> > > > > either never heard of newton or maxwell or you just didn't get it,
> > and you
> > > > > will incur the wrath of educated non-thinkers who are so eager to
> > show what
> > > > > they learned at school that they won't wait to ask you the how or
> > what of
> > > > > what you meant or are doing but will trip over themselves at the
> > > > > opportunity make themselves sound smart by making you sound stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > - open minded, unbiased, ego free help with anything "a bit
> > different" is
> > > > > hard to find and if i can be of any help please email me on
> > > > > everhopeful@ and if i can't i'll try to point you somewhere that
> > > > > can.
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 19 May 2013 03:53, james4078 <james4078@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings from Florida everyone.
> > > > > > I've been a member of this group for some time now and I try to
> > help out
> > > > > > when I can.
> > > > > > Now I am asking for all your help.
> > > > > > As there is not much technical data available for us electric
> > boaters I am
> > > > > > assembling a project that will provide much needed data.
> > > > > > I have been working alone on this for close to 3 years and now I
> > want to
> > > > > > get it finished and create a data bank of some sort for all
> > electric boater
> > > > > > out there.
> > > > > > Here is a link to our crowd funding project, once done all data
> > will be
> > > > > > readily available "open source"
> > > > > >
> > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alternative-energy-source--2/x/3222114
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will also be looking for some technical expertise for those that
> > want to
> > > > > > offer that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > >
> > > > > > project #2
> > > > > >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/547817076/pic/list
> > > > > > project #1
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/1200862879/pic/list
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has been too long between projects
> > > > > >
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