James when I was a teenager I built a "rotoverter" out of a couple 3v electric motors. I coupled the shafts together so one motor would spin the other as a generator (DC motors can be used as generators) then I wired them together so the generator output would drive the motor, which would spin the generator, which would drive the motor, which would spin the generator, and so on. Then I ran it up to speed with a couple dry cells to get it started, and removed the batteries. It kept running.... for a few seconds. Electrical resistance, heat and friction killed it. I tried the electrolysis thing too, with a piece of aluminum and a piece of copper in sea water; that worked just about as well. Nikolai Tesla (a whole lot smarter than I am) tried the "radiant energy" thing. From what I understand it had promise but you have to have a transmitter (which requires fuel) and the whole thing is horribly inefficient. To be honest I think you'd have better luck with Magick.
There IS a "radiant energy" system that DOES work and it's well proven; I have three; one actually drives one of my boats. Another keeps the lights on and the beer cold on my houseboat. Some people call it "solar", but you could also call it "fusion". The gods provide the radiant energy, you just collect it all week and store it in a battery, to be used when you want to play.
My suggestion: Find an old aluminum pontoon boat (they're big, light, and don't require much power). Strip it down and build a rack overhead that will hold as many solar panels as you can fit within the dimensions of the boat. Install enough batteries to run your motor for a reasonable time, hook the panels up and park it in the sun for a week. By Saturday you'll have your "radiant energy boat". Some paint and foo-foo and you'll have a nifty rig that actually WORKS. Mine does; it's just a canoe with a trolling motor, but I haven't had to paddle or charge the batteries since I installed my "energy collector". I just park it in the sun, and it's ready to go when I am.
Even the Wright Brothers did things one step at a time, and they were ultimately successful.
Willie
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "james4078" <james4078@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your input guys
> If history teaches us anything it is truly that there is an answer to any and all questions, no matter how difficult they may be.
> Perpetual motion is not something I'm looking to do.
> I'm just trying to harness the energy that is there and funnel it to be usable for my situation.
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Carter Quillen <twowheelinguy@> wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree with your contention to round file the perpetual motion stuff but you can push a boat at pretty close to hull speed realtime off the sun with a full solar canopy. Despite a looong list of inefficiencies such as a shunt motor, lead acid batteries, spinning a big diesel driveline including a V-drive, and a 20 ton displacement, the Arc still works pretty good. Better than I thought it would actually.
> >
> > With lighter hulls, better motors, and elimination of the extra driveline components you have in a parallel hybrid configuration, solar powered boats can perform very well. This has been demostrated by a lot of other solar boats besides the Arc too.
> >
> > While James may be a bit sidetracked on a unicorn hunt, his basic idea of retrofitting old broken boats with alternative energy drive systems is sound. It does work and the idea of a never ending gas tank is very appealing. The techology only keeps getting better and I think you will be seeing a lot more solar electric boats on the water in the future.
> >
> > Carter
> > http://www.shipofimagination.blogspot.com/
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: stmbtwle <stmbtwle@>
> > To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] "Batteries Not Included"
> >
> >
> > Sorry James but I have to agree with Julian. Have you done the math? If you want to charge your batteries by plugging into shore power you may have a nice electric boat, but you won't be able to fit enough solar panels or a big enough windmill to provide the power you need. "Rotoverter", "Ambient energy", "Radiant energy", "Electrolytic energy" all go in the same file with "Perpetual Motion".
> >
> > Folks don't like to think about it, but there's a REASON our electric utilities haven't already switched over to those devices.
> >
> > Willie
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "james4078" <james4078@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the words of wisdom.
> > > I have a few emails that I would rather soon forget but that comes with the territory.
> > > I was kind of hoping to get a better reaction from this group than some of the others.
> > > With 3845 members you would think that most would like to get some new information on a project such as this.
> > > Well I will be glad to hear from you and as always do what you can when you can.
> > > Thanks for the help
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Julian Webb <julian.proto@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi james
> > > >
> > > > - just had a read of your crowd funding page, and my first piece of advice
> > > > is to be very careful of your wording there, here and everywhere.
> > > >
> > > > - i'm not sure what your actual energy source/plan/generating/harnessing
> > > > ideas are but unless you want to be written off, ridiculed, abused or at
> > > > best condescendingly lectured to, don't ever use the word "energy" in the
> > > > same sentence with other words such as "alternative", "unlimited" or heaven
> > > > forbid "free".
> > > >
> > > > - irrespective of what you meant, it will be assumed you that you have
> > > > either never heard of newton or maxwell or you just didn't get it, and you
> > > > will incur the wrath of educated non-thinkers who are so eager to show what
> > > > they learned at school that they won't wait to ask you the how or what of
> > > > what you meant or are doing but will trip over themselves at the
> > > > opportunity make themselves sound smart by making you sound stupid.
> > > >
> > > > - open minded, unbiased, ego free help with anything "a bit different" is
> > > > hard to find and if i can be of any help please email me on
> > > > everhopeful@ and if i can't i'll try to point you somewhere that
> > > > can.
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 19 May 2013 03:53, james4078 <james4078@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings from Florida everyone.
> > > > > I've been a member of this group for some time now and I try to help out
> > > > > when I can.
> > > > > Now I am asking for all your help.
> > > > > As there is not much technical data available for us electric boaters I am
> > > > > assembling a project that will provide much needed data.
> > > > > I have been working alone on this for close to 3 years and now I want to
> > > > > get it finished and create a data bank of some sort for all electric boater
> > > > > out there.
> > > > > Here is a link to our crowd funding project, once done all data will be
> > > > > readily available "open source"
> > > > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alternative-energy-source--2/x/3222114
> > > > >
> > > > > I will also be looking for some technical expertise for those that want to
> > > > > offer that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > project #2
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/547817076/pic/list
> > > > > project #1
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/1200862879/pic/list
> > > > >
> > > > > It has been too long between projects
> > > > >
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