Saturday, December 23, 2017

[Electric Boats] Re: first timer questions

 

Your Searay is a planing hull. You will either be operating it as a planing hull, (with probably a much bigger motor than your 15kw unit) with a very short range, or else indisplacement mode. Planing hulls are not particularly efficient at displacement speeds, compared to a true displacement hull. This is one reason sailboats work well with electric propulsion. Typically, we electrocruise at about half of hull speed. For your boat, assuming 18 foot waterline length, that is 3kt. Typically (depending on the battery bank) you will have about 5 hours run time, give or take a bunch. The nice thing about electric drive in a sailboat is that the range is not a really big deal, since the motor is mostly used for getting in and out of harbor only. So, a fairly modest bank, say 105ah at 48v, is often sufficient for a small sailboat. For a motorboat, the electric drive is needed the entire time that the boat is making way. So, a big bank is needed, which still only gives you very limited range. Now if you were to install maybe 1200w of solar panels (which would probably completely cover your boat) and the appropriate charge controllers, on a sunny day you could extend your range greatly, During the sunny part of the day you would not be draining your batteries at all. Go slow enough, and you would even have a net charge. This setup would probably also want a 2kw porttable generator, like the excellent Ryobi or Honda units. So, you will still have gasoline onboard. The portable generators MUST be operated topside! They are NOT engineered to operate in a fuel rich atmosphere or without ventilation of exhaust gases! You would want your cockpit hatch closed, as well, especially during fueling. Running a generator to charge batteries to operate an electric motor to turn a prop is VERY inefficient. However, the purpose of such a generator is not for routine operation, but for emergency range extension. A "Gitter Home" power source.

Yes, you can use your current stern drive with an electric motor. Assuming that the gear ratio, prop size and pitch, etc are suitable for your motor, hull, and voltage. Most e-boaters like a larger prop, the largest you can spin with reasonable hull clearance. It's not a deal breaker but it is probably going to make a difference. Anyway, all those factors make for a big balancing act to get everything working optimally together as a system.

Another thing you could do is to add an outboard mount, and keep one of those remarkable little Tohatsu 6hp or similar modern outboard for getting home when you have discharged the batteries to minimum (50% for lead acid) and you would otherwise be calling sea tow. The new 4 stroke outboards are very reliable, and fuel efficient. Yeah, they are heavier than a 2 stroke but you don't have to mix oil into the gas, or remember which can is mixed and which is not, stuff like that. If you are going to have gasoline onboard anyway for a generator, may as well have an outboard, too.

Pay attention to your motor specs. Says 15kw, right? 15kw at what voltage? Big difference between what you will get at 48v and what you would get at say 96v or 120v. FWIW most small boats use 48v because the electrical standards are much simpler below 50v. Take the motor's rated sustained current and multiply by 48 for a more realistic power output, and remember you will seldom use that much current. A good rule of thumb is to consider slow cruise to be the battery rated amp hours divided by 20. So you get say 4 8D batteries at 245 amp hours, that would be 12.5a at 48v, or 600w into the motor controller. Call it 575w into the motor itself. If you are curious, that is 0.77hp. You would have that output available for 10 hours and still have your batteries at a safe 50% at the end, without recharging by solar or other means. Exceed that power level, and something called Peukert's Effect comes into play. At say 100a or 4800w, you might think you have almost an hour and a half range, but actually only have about 45 minutes. That would be 6.43hp, minus losses in the controller. The cheapest practical batteries currently, in terms of watt/hours per dollar, seem to be 6v golf cart batteries, typically 220ah rating. 8 of these in series makes a very nice 48v 220ah bank. So the Peukert neutral discharge current would be 11a for 10 hours. For your size boat, you probably should keep battery weight down to 600 to 1000 lbs. You can get more juice per pound by going with Lithium batteries but they have their drawbacks, namely price and safety. Safety issues are not nearly what they once were, and a good BMS can prevent or at least mitigate most catastrophes. On the plus side, not only do you get more wh per lb, you can draw the batteries down much further and they typically last a lot more charge/discharge cycles. So if you have deep pockets they are worth considering.

If you can find an old open lifeboat, it would make a much better platform for an electric motorboat. You might also consider a catamaran. Or get a sailboat, and enjoy both e-boating and sailing. If you have money to burn, burn some of it on a more suitable hull.


---In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, <greg.yarman@...> wrote :



Hi all. I have begun the steps to convert my small fishing boat from an ancient v8 (1978)gas engine to a sweet electric motor. The vessel is a 78' searay 20' long. With its gasoline engine and full fuel tank it weighs around 3,500 lbs. Don't know what it will weigh after the enginectomy and transplant but I'm certain that I'll find that out. So apart from all the usual hundreds of questions that confronts a diy person here is the biggie-  Drivetrain- can the existing stern drive be used to provide propulsion? I get that I don't need the transmission gears since i'll have the electric controller but the sterndrive is also the rudder and the screw so...(don't you just love newbie questions?) I of course don't know what kind of power loss to expect from doing it this way but the motor is a 15 Kw  motor and I certainly won't be pulling any wake boarders in the north pacific ocean (the lost coast 175 mIles north of San Francisco). I've got way too much experience with engines of every shape and description-sailboats (deisels), cars,jeeps,power boats from rebuilding, installing, to fabricating new motor mounts,etc. But here's the thing- in the 50+ years of enjoying mechanical things, when I'm to the part of holding the wiring harness in my hands and deciding the order, placement, and connections of that tangle of spaghetti in it's rainbow colors- well let's just say that's it's time for a long coffee break to read that part of the manual again.I'm confident that i'll get thru that park ok but has anyone been in this particular position before? Anyway the boat itself looks to be nearly perfect for my electric swap. The 42 gallon fuel tank in the bilge will come out  and will become the batteries new home. The v8 will come out (yea!) and i'll have enough space for my motor plus new deck space to stand while fishing. Weight and weight distribution are much improved by the new motor and batteries. My thought right now is to fabricate a coupler ( heim joints or ujoints as well) hook the motor to the input shaft of the stern drive and bobs your uncle-off I go. Yes I know that it's going to be a couple months of toil, trouble, mistakes and some money spent but still off I go. So that's the big question for someone who has been down this path before -can I connect an electric motor to a stern drive in a power boat and have it work? BTW the term "power boat" takes on a whole new meaning when it's electric don't you think? Thanks so much for reading this. greg

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