Electric Boating History
What the "explosion", engine brought us in the 1020's.
"... people became more interested in speed rather
than enjoying the essence of boating; a relaxing
and social event."
As I see it, all this hogwash about electric motors today
is to maintain those interests in speed at the detriment of
the essence of boating ... especially sailing, which is generally
about "sailing".
Honestly, this discussion has become almost nothing more than one-upmanship
about systems and power.
Sometimes I think a forum should be formed for sailboaters who want to add
electric as nothing more than a "pusher", motor, or a short-term auxillary
motor for getting in and out of dock until the sail goes up.
All this talk of 5k watts for relatively small sailboats, and even more ...
sometimes much more for only slightly larger sailboats.
Seriously ... diesels and "explosion", engines are even being talked about
as ways to use the electric ... to maintain speed and extend range ... ON SAILBOATS?
When I was young, my brother used to ride his 98cc Ducati ... EVERYWHERE,
often on hundreds of miles trips.
In 1980's, I rode my Yamaha 250 over 23,000 miles in one year with a number of
trips of over 1500 miles.
Yet virtually EVERYONE says one can't do this on less than 1100cc.
Back in the 80's they said about 800cc ...
back in the 70's, at least 650cc.
As humans, I think, sometimes we miss sight on exactly what we're trying to accomplish
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Jason Taylor jt.yahoo@jtaylor.ca [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Well, regardless of the size of the pack you choose, I saw on Balqon's website that they have a 15kwh pack for about $5250.
This includes all hardware, contactors and BMS and can be ordered as 11v, 24v, or 48v configurations. It basically works out to the same price as their 300ah cells but them including everything else for free. For a boat the size of desiderata, you would probably want to grow the pack in increments of two of these packs so 30kwh@96v
Cheers,
/Jason
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> On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:51, "Joe Siudzinski siudzinski@telis.org [electricboats]" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Kirk, would you like to show photographs of 150,000 internal
> combustion motor vehicle fires which occurred within last year in the
> US? Eric provided a concise summary of the advantages of LiFePO4, so
> cool it with the media-driven anecdotes, all the result of serious
> accidents which physically penetrated the Tesla (non-LiFePO4) battery
> packs, and the fires were non-explosive. Having witnessed the results
> of a flooded-lead-acid battery hydrogen explosion, give me LiFePO4
> anyday!
>
> Stuart, you need to qualify your "2 hours from the battery" - for
> example, is that wide-open throttle into a 30-knot headwind?
>
> Perhaps expecting six hours at five knots in zero wind would be a
> reasonable requirement in your case? As so many owners of EVs have
> found out, your range is whatever you want it to be - just adjust your
> speed accordingly.
>
> Is it possible to integrate some serious solar panels onto your boat,
> as that will help minimize the use of a genset, at least for your
> house bank? If you spend a few days of inactivity, solar could
> replenish you main traction bank as well.
>
> Perhaps a discussion of traction pack size vs house battery size might
> be in order, as well as the ability to transfer energy in either
> direction.
>
> As a liveaboard, you will quickly appreciate the silence and fresh air
> and cleanliness and no vibration with the absence of your main diesel.
> Properly-sized, you might also rarely use your genset (which you will
> most probably want for emergency backup, anyway). Are you tied to a
> dock with shorepower or would you rely on solar while swinging on a
> hook at homebase? Are your charters day charters or do you go out for
> a few days? Ever have the need to motor back to base for an extended
> period of time (like, 24 hours)? Sizing the battery pack(s)
> accordingly will be an interesting exercise.
>
> Lots of variables, and have fun exploring them.
>
> JoeS.
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:04, Stuart Armstrong sydesiderata@yahoo.com
> [electricboats] wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> Here is a bit more info hope this helps
>>
>> I would be looking to get about 2 hours from battery as mostly I am
>> sailing,
>> the battery's must recharge as I sail
>> I obviously need a generator to recharge when not sailing or no wind
>> And for domestic power
>> The alternative is buying both a Diesel engine and a generator
>> Why would a commercial outfit be different , we live on Desi 24/7
>> I don't believe weight will be an issue as Desi weighs 30 tonnes and
>> at the moment we carry 1000 ltrs in two tanks one of which I would
>> convert to battery space
>>
>> Stuart Armstrong
>>
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Posted by: Jason Taylor <jt.yahoo@jtaylor.ca>
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