T-Pain Is On A Boat: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Valiant 40 purposely under powered hybrid.

Wednesday, August 17, 2011

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Valiant 40 purposely under powered hybrid.

"All this discussion has been carefully digested by me, and I can put in a baby beta with a generator off a freewheeling propeller shaft for half the price. Still get my regeneration. Its not your fault gentlemen. I am just getting too much variation from every person i talk to. Without some consensus I do not see 7-10k worth of advantage "

I think the problem here is there are many options on the way to go when converting to electric propulsion. I thought about it for months before I made the leap and tried to go through all the senarios of what it would mean and how I would deal with various conditions. I agree if you are going electric with a diesel generator there is a premium you'll pay for that system. I decided to go electric and try the Honda 2000 generator for charging first and see if it met my needs before I went to the expense and issues of having installing a diesel ICE generator on board to charge the batteries. For what I would have paid for a diesel generator I could buy enough Honda 2000's to last me from here and into the after life. My boat lives on a mooring or anchor and is rarely at a dock so it is a worse case scenerio for charging. The Honda/solar/wind charging solution has worked for me the past four years so I'm sticking with it. I don't know about others but, my install was about a wash maybe a little cheaper than installing a new Beta Marine diesel. Of course I did not install a diesel generator either. But, in the back of my mind it was always an "option" if the Honda solution did not work out. You might want to consider going a similar route first to see if it works for you. Though you might have room for something bigger on your deck like a Honda 3000 or two 2000 generators tied together since you have more electric needs on board and may need a bigger motor than my Thoosa 9000 system. If it does not work for you then go to plan "B" sell the Honda(s) an install a diesel generator. As Eric mentioned you may find as he and I did you are not using the generator as much as you thought you would have too.

Capt. Mike

http://biankablog.blogspot.com

--- On Tue, 8/16/11, v40beth <mrkgillis@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: v40beth <mrkgillis@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Valiant 40 purposely under powered hybrid.
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 7:12 PM

All this discussion has been carefully digested by me, and I can put in a baby beta with a generator off a freewheeling propeller shaft for half the price. Still get my regeneration. Its not your fault gentlemen. I am just getting too much variation from every person i talk to. Without some consensus I do not see 7-10k worth of advantage .
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Trisailing <trisailing@...> wrote:
>
> To quote
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> Marina del Rey, CA
>
>
> "Apparently, you lost all of your ground tackle too. I'm not sure why
> anyone would motor into the darkness near dangerous waters with the
> primary drive near empty, but this scenario is filled with a series of
> bad decisions. Even a Honda portable generator would get you away from
> the rocks unless you're in a current that exceeds 3kts.
>
> If you had a diesel as your primary drive, would your first response be
> to take off at full throttle? As long as we're creating a worst case
> scenario, we might as well include that you used all of your fuel making
> microwave popcorn and fresh water for the converted cockpit jacuzzi
> party, so the geneset won't run anyway.
>
> Seriously, dropping an anchor stops all of this right now. If you're in
> blue water, in conditions that you would rather not sail in, the
> traditional responses like lying ahull or deploying a sea anchor are
> still efffective."
>
> Thank goodness someone added some common sense to this. I was about to
> say that Seamanship should come first. Many people sail around the world
> without an engine, let alone an electric one. And if you have to add a
> generator to power up the batteries, Why bother? Whats the advantage?
> Just put an engine in and be done with it. The Only way I would consider
> an electric motor is if it can be recharged without a generator.
> Otherwise the whole Idea flies in the face of common sense. And water
> and electricity don't mix.
>
> Trisailing
>
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