Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] B2G TECHNOLOGY: IS THAR GOLD IN THEM THAR HULLS?

 

I think that B2G tech in a marina is a great idea. I could imagine a model that has some potential for my marina.

My current marina has individual meters at each dock box. We pay the hefty commercial rate for power. I want to say 17 cents per kWH. We don't pay the utility company though. We pay the marina for power and they are the ones who pay the utility company bill. Suppose we have a little grid tied inverter which dumps power into the marina's power grid only when your own personal battery bank is topped off. This will simply result in your own meter spinning backwards for a while, and if you do put in more power than you take, the marina just knocks that off your berthing bill.

We already have a person at our marina that goes and checks each meter every month. I don't see this as being a big change in their routine. Just a little subtraction from the monthly bill instead of addition.

I don't think that any battery cycling is needed because it is doubtful that at any time the marina will be on the whole returning energy to the grid. On the final balance sheet it will be like selling power to your more power hungry neighbor.

There are several boats in my marina which can probably top off their battery banks from dead in one or two two days from solar and wind. If you go out sailing twice a month during the sailing season and drain your batteries completely that gives a lot of days at the dock to pump a little juice back into the grid.

I am for any strategy which makes energy production and management more "free market". For the most part we rely on a state run utility of some sort.

Kevin P. makes good practical points about focusing on "common sense" strategies for outfitting an e-boat or dealing with any boat for that matter. Usually less is more. Alas, I am one of those suckers who works on the boat more than I sail it. I spend countless hours and chunks of paychecks on gizmos to try out on the boat, but I would probably make time and space for this one more gizmo.

By the way, my marina is applying for some kind of "green marina certification" I think there is probably a state subsidy behind this so they may have motivation.

Hans
--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Kevin Pemberton <pembertonkevin@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Kevin Pemberton <pembertonkevin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] B2G TECHNOLOGY: IS THAR GOLD IN THEM THAR HULLS?
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:23 AM

Is there anyone out there that has more power generation ability than
they need on their boat? It may be true that some solar and wind
generation is on them but hardly enough to do more than maintain their
house system. If you have more than enough then why not save some bucks
by mooring rather than using a slip with power? I doubt the return from
the power company would come close to the savings obtained by mooring.

It makes more sense to hold off on the panels until you are ready to
cruise, than to install for five years down the road. If you are
planning to cruise, then why install an inverter that is designed to pay
the grid? Then I guess that not to many people are really getting ready
for that, so why not get a i2000 for the weeks you use the boat? If you
are getting ready to cruise it also makes a lot of sense to rent
batteries to test the system, and wait to purchase batteries till you
will put them to use.

In Newport Beach,CA the taxes for a mooring including live-aboard permit
was only $1500 a year in 2002, slips were over $300 a month. If you
aren't going to need the power why invest? Toys are nice, but a little
common sense is golden. Unless of course your desire is to sponsor the grid.


Kevin Pemberton


Chris Witzgall wrote:
>
> Most electric companies, at least the ones in the states, do not allow
> this buy and sell back method using your batteries as storage. It does
> not work out to be cost effective usually, but I guess it could if the
> battery technology was LIFEPO4 or something that accepted 3000+ charge
> cycles. We have a 4000w inverter and a 48v system in our house – the
> inverter does have this as a factory setting, you sent the times when
> you want to "Buy and sell" Our power company forbids the use of this
> setting.
>
> Chris
>




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