Monday, February 15, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] Performance figures

 

Eric,


 Static thrust is be a good measure of how well an electric motor performs.    It has its drawbacks but it is the only  baseline that everyone could work from.    Everything else has way to many variables for an accurate comparison, though the information you describe is very relevant to boaters with similar boats.

Static thrust, that is,  the boat tied to the dock with a strain gage, can also give a good indication of efficiency.    Motors are rated in terms of kilowatts consumed which really has no real indication of how well the system performs.    Thrust per kilowatt consumed at various kilowatt values would be a great indicator.    

I have noticed that on Kapowai's  motor, when tied to the dock will spin at 1400 rpm, however, when cruising at 5.5 knots it is turning at 1800 rpm.    So other real life data should be kept.   But I don't know of any other way that two systems could be compared without putting them in identical boats.

Perhaps Practical Sailor might do a comparison test of all the systems on the market one day.

James







On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Eric wrote:

 

Kevin,

I think one effective way to publish performance results is to describe as much of the installation as possible. For example, if you published a small table of speed and current results and stated that they came from what boat, most people could extrapolate those results towards their own potential installation. Because most of these systems can be operated on multiple voltages, listing your performance figures in watts consumed at a given speed creates a baseline where disparate systems can be compared. Since we're dealing with boats, listing speed results in Knots rather than MPH is also helpful. Publishing average figures collected over time in various conditions should normalize your measured performance closer to real world conditions.

Let's say your first installation was an Ericson 28. With a displacement of 7,500 pounds, a LWL of 24'2" and a PHRF of 186, one can figure how that would compare to another fin keel boat in the 27' to 30' range. Once the basic specs are published about your drive, the battery bank and prop are the only remaining important variables. If the boat goes 3 kts with 800 watts, 4 kts with 1600 watts and 5 kts with 4000 watts, this data would tell a great deal about the system's overall performance. Posting additional results from other described installations would really start to build an efficiency model that would be meaningful to a wide variety of potential customers. Although some manufacturers publish observed top speeds, I don't find that data as relevant to auxiliary sailboats, power boaters may be more interested in this figure.

I have only found a few systems that have published this type of data, Torqeedo is a name brand that comes to mind with performance data for their various systems. That's one of the reasons that I am a Torqeedo owner today. My observed results are close enough to their figures that I would say that their data is realistic.

That's the kind of information that I look for. I'm surprised that most companies don't publish these figures and let their existing customers bear the responsibility for telling other potential customers how well the systems work. Anyway, this is just one man's opinion...

Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA


--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Mannell" <kevmann@...> wrote:
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> Myles,
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> My apology for our exuberance, I have been withholding information on our site until finial testing is done as there has been much interest in this motor. We have two installations for the 5kw done and Arby is very eager to get the product out, which I have been developing the website for.
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> As each boat is different, ie. displacement, prop size or other variables that affect any power curve a chart, showing unloaded power is the only one that would remain constant making a loaded power graph a sales tool only and will not represent what occurs in the “wild” with added variables such as topside wind, current and so on. If you have a workable suggestion as to how you would like to see a data graph done, or know of a standardized test that other companies follow, I will see if it is possible and have it done, for you.
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> Thank you,
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> Kevin Mannell
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> AMeP
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