Tuesday, February 26, 2013

[Electric Boats] Re: Sine Metu - John Butler? (crimper tool)

 

Search for Hydraulic Crimper in Harbor Freight. I've been using a similar one for many years. Mine came with die sets and a case. They make gas-tight crimps, but put a dab of die-electric grease inside the fitting to displace the remaining air. Heatshrink tubing with a hot-melt liner applied to a solvent-clean (that grease will come out during crimping) crimped connection seals the conductor for many years of trouble-free service. Battery spray on the assembled works keeps corrosion at bay. I use a thick coat of the bright red type, so keeping clear of terminals becomes a matter of sanitation as well as safety. 

Arby Bernt
Advanced Marine Electric Propulsion


From: Eric <ewdysar@yahoo.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:01 AM
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Sine Metu - John Butler?

 
John,

Good to hear from you. While I was putting my boat together, I found an Ancor 704020 crimper that is seriously awesome. I just checked prices and I think that I paid about half of what one costs today.

If there are any people in the SoCal area that would like to borrow the tool for their boat project, let me know offlist and we should be able to work something out.

Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "JBWrites - San Diego Freelance Writer" wrote:
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> Hi Eric,
>
> Sorry for the long absence, which, for a writer, is unforgivable, but I've been busy earning those things called Freedom Chips by flying all over the US and Canada with this current work project — gotta grab that cash while I can, right?
>
> As for Sine Metu, work has stalled out. I am only home on the weekends and planning my next upgrades — dropping the mast and rerigging with Dyneema Dux and titanium mounting hardware and getting bids on a new set of sails (toss up right now between Doyle, North, and Mack Sails), and I'm now selling the motorcycle to pay for the Hydrovane gear.
>
> The electric drive is fully assembled and I am waiting on a few mail order parts to do the final-final installation. I've ordered a battery lug crimper so that I can avoid hammering the shit out of that hammer crimper. Besides, with almost 40 crimps to make (12 batteries, 3 fuse assemblies, the bus bar connections, the drive connections and the 12 volt house banks) it seemed like a worthwhile tool to have. But as for the actual project I'm sad to say that my latest, biggest decision was to go with yellow for the ground wires instead of black.
>
> So, even though the "actual" work has slowed due to paying work taking precedence, there is progress! My late September departing date is still on the calendar.
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> And Eric, thanks for the prompt to do more than just read Electric Boats! I look forward to hopefully meeting you as I sail up towards your waters during my shake down cruises this summer.
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> JB
> sv Sine Metu
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> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" wrote:
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> > It looks like John stopped by and posted some pics of his '63 Columbia 24' that he is converting to electric. With this last post here and his last boat entry in his blog being dated Sept 2012, it would be nice to hear how the project is going.
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> > John, are you around?
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> > Fair winds,
> > Eric
> > Marina del Rey, CA
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[Electric Boats] Re: Sine Metu - John Butler?

 

John,

Good to hear from you. While I was putting my boat together, I found an Ancor 704020 crimper that is seriously awesome. I just checked prices and I think that I paid about half of what one costs today.

If there are any people in the SoCal area that would like to borrow the tool for their boat project, let me know offlist and we should be able to work something out.

Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "JBWrites - San Diego Freelance Writer" wrote:
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>
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> Hi Eric,
>
> Sorry for the long absence, which, for a writer, is unforgivable, but I've been busy earning those things called Freedom Chips by flying all over the US and Canada with this current work project — gotta grab that cash while I can, right?
>
> As for Sine Metu, work has stalled out. I am only home on the weekends and planning my next upgrades — dropping the mast and rerigging with Dyneema Dux and titanium mounting hardware and getting bids on a new set of sails (toss up right now between Doyle, North, and Mack Sails), and I'm now selling the motorcycle to pay for the Hydrovane gear.
>
> The electric drive is fully assembled and I am waiting on a few mail order parts to do the final-final installation. I've ordered a battery lug crimper so that I can avoid hammering the shit out of that hammer crimper. Besides, with almost 40 crimps to make (12 batteries, 3 fuse assemblies, the bus bar connections, the drive connections and the 12 volt house banks) it seemed like a worthwhile tool to have. But as for the actual project I'm sad to say that my latest, biggest decision was to go with yellow for the ground wires instead of black.
>
> So, even though the "actual" work has slowed due to paying work taking precedence, there is progress! My late September departing date is still on the calendar.
>
> And Eric, thanks for the prompt to do more than just read Electric Boats! I look forward to hopefully meeting you as I sail up towards your waters during my shake down cruises this summer.
>
>
> JB
> sv Sine Metu
>
>
>
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" wrote:
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> > It looks like John stopped by and posted some pics of his '63 Columbia 24' that he is converting to electric. With this last post here and his last boat entry in his blog being dated Sept 2012, it would be nice to hear how the project is going.
> >
> > John, are you around?
> >
> > Fair winds,
> > Eric
> > Marina del Rey, CA
> >
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Hi Eric,

Sorry for the long absence, which, for a writer, is unforgivable, but I've been busy earning those things called Freedom Chips by flying all over the US and Canada with this current work project — gotta grab that cash while I can, right?

As for Sine Metu, work has stalled out. I am only home on the weekends and planning my next upgrades — dropping the mast and rerigging with Dyneema Dux and titanium mounting hardware and getting bids on a new set of sails (toss up right now between Doyle, North, and Mack Sails), and I'm now selling the motorcycle to pay for the Hydrovane gear.

The electric drive is fully assembled and I am waiting on a few mail order parts to do the final-final installation. I've ordered a battery lug crimper so that I can avoid hammering the shit out of that hammer crimper. Besides, with almost 40 crimps to make (12 batteries, 3 fuse assemblies, the bus bar connections, the drive connections and the 12 volt house banks) it seemed like a worthwhile tool to have. But as for the actual project I'm sad to say that my latest, biggest decision was to go with yellow for the ground wires instead of black.

So, even though the "actual" work has slowed due to paying work taking precedence, there is progress! My late September departing date is still on the calendar.

And Eric, thanks for the prompt to do more than just read Electric Boats! I look forward to hopefully meeting you as I sail up towards your waters during my shake down cruises this summer.

JB
sv Sine Metu

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" wrote:
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> It looks like John stopped by and posted some pics of his '63 Columbia 24' that he is converting to electric. With this last post here and his last boat entry in his blog being dated Sept 2012, it would be nice to hear how the project is going.
>
> John, are you around?
>
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> Marina del Rey, CA
>

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Monday, February 25, 2013

Re: [Electric Boats] just posted some pics of a solar canoe project I'm working on

 

Glad that you mentioned about the outrigger. I image stability would be an issue without them.

From: dudevato <dudevato@yahoo.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] just posted some pics of a solar canoe project I'm working on

 
The blue canoe has not been in the water yet, but I'm expecting it to be dead stable, with the windsurf board/outrigger set 6 or 8 feet starboard.

The yellow one, with the 2 outriggers, could not be tipped if 2 adults Tried.

> How is your CG and stability?
> Bob



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It looks like John stopped by and posted some pics of his '63 Columbia 24' that he is converting to electric. With this last post here and his last boat entry in his blog being dated Sept 2012, it would be nice to hear how the project is going.

John, are you around?

Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA

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The blue canoe has not been in the water yet, but I'm expecting it to be dead stable, with the windsurf board/outrigger set 6 or 8 feet starboard.

The yellow one, with the 2 outriggers, could not be tipped if 2 adults Tried.

> How is your CG and stability?
> Bob

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Sunday, February 24, 2013

Re: [Electric Boats] archemedes project

 

Carter:

Thanks for the kind words and the info on your solar setup. Look forward to reading about the sea trials. Yeah solar can be underwhelming sometimes.  I've only got 120 watts of solar for my propulsion bank but, that's enough to keep things charged up after the batteries are topped up. I only need about 900 watts to move my 8 ton boat at 3 knots in clam conditions so your setup looks like it might have potential down the road.  I've got some boom shadow too but, your setup eliminates that completely.  I like your water catchment system too. I was about to install one in my solar Bimini but, Hurricane Sandy ripped out the Lexan sheet so I have to reinstall it. I hope you find you will be able to pull the diesel at some point. I think you will find you will be spending more of your time and money maintaining it rather than you EP system if my experience is any guide. The Great Loop trip sounds perfect for your setup too. I did take my boat up the Erie and Oswego Canals and into Canada in the diesel days. It was a hot and noisy trip and I had to drop the mast on deck to make it. Would love to do it again with electric propulsion though dropping and stepping my 300 pound mast is a pain and $. You are all setup for it. Good luck with the sea trails!

Capt. Mike
http://biankablog.blogspot.com


From: Carter Quillen <twowheelinguy@yahoo.com>
To: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Fully electric, turn key boat - available yet?

 
Mike,
 
Thanks, your blog has been an inspiration to me as well.
 
The panels are mix of manufacturer and models but all of them are nominal 250W at a nominal 30 volts,(much less expensive than 12V panels) with two each in series and then paralleled and fed to an OutBack Flexmax 80 MPPT charge controller. I just installed the last four  aft panels last week and decided not to hook them up until I get the next Flexmax 80 because on a cool sunny day with the ability to track the sun I would likely exceed the capacity of the one I have right now. I may wire them up with a switch to engage them on cloudy days but the second Flexmax 80 is in the plan to be added soon so I'll probably jsut wait til then. When I do get it I will reconfigure the wiring for a port and starboard system with 50 amps each  feeding the two 80 amp controllers. This will reduce the loading on the controllers and give me some redundancy. I will also be adding another battery bank to have port and starboard storage as well, giving me additional system redundancy and flexablity.
 
If it hasn't become apparent by my postings, I'm on a very tight budget. As an unselfemployed HVAC engineer that is more inclined to kicking back in the cockpit than looking for work, these things take time but progress has been slow and steady and we're having fun as we go. We're a little behind our original schedule but are leaving for our cruise around Florida next week and looking forward to tackling the great loop after that next year.
 
We're going to try and circumnavigate Florida strictly on solar from Pensacola to Jacksonville and if that works, do the whole great loop without using a drop of fuel. Not sure it's even possible but we're going to try. Thought some guy in big solar powered trimaran called the Ra with  two torqueedo 4.Os was going to beat me to it last year but looks like he fell by the wayside after a couple hundred miles and I heard the boat just wasn't up to the task. Maybe he'll resurface this spring.
 
My experience has been that going strictly solar is not as easy as it sounds but I believe it can be done with patience and a little extra effort. We'll see.
 
Carter
 
 

From: Mike <biankablog@verizon.net>
To: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Fully electric, turn key boat - available yet?



Carter:

Enjoyed reading your blog and project. At times kicking back in the cockpit I've wondered what a deck full of solar panels might do on my boat. Thanks for leading the way with that idea.   I was wondering how you have configured all those solar panels. I'm assuming they are all 12 volts. At what voltage have you configured them at the input to the controller? I think you mentioned your motor/batteries were 48 volts.

Capt. Mike
http://biankablog.blogspot.com

From: Carter Quillen <twowheelinguy@yahoo.com>
To: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Fully electric, turn key boat - available yet?

 
Luka,
 
Cruise ships have had electric serial hybrid drive systems for years and I don't know that much about it but I'm guessing it must be a strong trend with newer large ships. As far as the cost competativeness, depending on the system you install and where you buy it, electric is already cheaper. The entire system for the Arc cost about $12K in parts including solar panels(I paid $7k for what you can now get for $5.5K), motor, controller,wire, relays,quickcharger($2250 total),  aluminum for the support structure and linear actuators, ($2500) , batteries($1000), Honda EU2000, ($1000).
 
Admittedly my 7kW golf cart motor on steriods is a bit underpowered for a 20 ton boat and a shunt motor is about the least efficient choice there is but it was hands down the most torque per dollar I could find for my money and it pushes the boat smartly in calm waters. It  was sized more to match the capacity of my solar array than to push the boat in heavy weather, for that I left the diesel in place so I'm cheating a little bit. But still,  you can hardly buy a 20hp diesel for what I've got in the system and mine  comes with the never ending gas tank option. Also, the hardware is not marine rated but the motor and controller seem to be constructed well for the environment. Most of it's made out of aluminum and I changed out some mild steel pieces with stainless. Time will tell but the golf cart stuff has a reputation for being pretty robust. For the DIY, electric propulsion is already cheaper than ICE right now.
 
I'd say electric propulsion has arrived and it's only going to get better in the future.
 
Carter
 
PS:And everything on the boat is made in America (except the Honda and the linear actuators).


From: luka_tema <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:12 AM
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Fully electric, turn key boat - available yet?

Hi Guys,
This is turning out to be quite a good argumented conversation!

I work in the electric propulsion industry and from what I see the interest for e-propulsion is growing every day, and so is the number of electric boats.

Here is one of the projects I worked on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g1MWv_QMEOc

The electric propulsion system is not that much more expensive that a regular marine inboard diesel engine, the price of the source (battery, genset, or both) increases the initial cost.

But consider this as an investment, because with batteries (or a serial hybrid) you are buying a much more efficient vehicle and your exploitation cost (fuel, maintenance) will be significantly lower than with a diesel powered boat.

It is true that the battery pack is slowing down the market to expand more quickly, mainly because of battery weight or price.

BR
Luka


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> Hi, all - first post but I have been lurking for years.  And, after reading all your posts, I have realized that I don't have anywhere's near the knowledge necessary to convert a boat.  I don't even know how to sail.  I have crewed on power boats though, so I know a little about them. My question is, is there such a thing as a fully electric, or a diesel hybrid that one can buy, all ready to go?  I drooled over this boat for quite a while - http://dsehybrid.com/ - but it looks like it is no longer offered, so either the market, or existing technology, or something wasn't ready yet. Is an electric power boat, with solar or shore power to recharge the batteries possible today? That one could spend some weeks on putting up and down the ICW, maybe even heading around the Caribbean.  Retirement is a few years off yet, but that's my dream.  I wouldn't need much power, although I would need enough to get out of the way, or get somewhere relatively safe in case of storms.
>
> Any thoughts and comments are appreciated - your collective knowledge is incredible, I salute you!
>
> Liz
>




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Re: [Electric Boats] just posted some pics of a solar canoe project I'm working on

 

How is your CG and stability?

Bob

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From: dudevato <dudevato@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] just posted some pics of a solar canoe project I'm working on
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013, 1:33 PM

Bob, the pics of the current project are here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/1188443356/pic/list

The earlier one is here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/1069934117/pic/list

I was told by the Forest Dept/State Lake people that canoes are OK if they don't have a permanently attached motor. If there is any problem I'll get the Tags, etc. Hey, it's only $$, good thing I have plenty!

I forgot to mention there is no battery in either of these things. So if the sun burns out I'm sunk, so to speak.

I've got a small Harbor Freight trailer that will get a loong tounge welded on  and be pulled by my little Toyota motorhome. 

'wouldn't trade this thing for any 35 foot twin Big Block Chevy Off Shore piece  o  $#!+   But I'll bet you feel the same way about your boats, uh?  Pretty cool site here.



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