T-Pain Is On A Boat: Re: [Electric Boats] Cooling motors

Thursday, September 8, 2011

Re: [Electric Boats] Cooling motors

thanks Capt. Mike, i think that no matter what i end up with in the end i will have to test the motors abilities to the point of heat related shutdown or at least, if i can read the temps via perhaps the controller, i will test the system up to the point just below failure... i completely agree that KISS is the way to go and an additional fan or two seems pretty much a no-brainer....

i am more and more wanting to take a shot at doing this all myself with two or three of the ME0913 motors... looks fairly straight forward.... pulleys, drive belts, bearings, shaft, frame to support it all.... when i think of possibly three motors i have to wonder about a double sided drive belt, i have no idea of the appropriate terminology but a sort of... M configuration for the three motors with the powered shaft directly below the M... motors in parallel??? or i perhaps not but I must learn more as i am out of my depth at the moment.... do you know, does a motor such as a ME0913 require an individual controller due to some sort of frequency feedback that the motor must supply?

From: Mike <biankablog@verizon.net>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Cooling motors

When I was converting my boat back in 2008 I came upon some brand new surplus 48 volt fans that I thought might come in handy in keeping the motor cool. I thought I might place a snap disc switch on the housing that would turn on the fan at a certain temperature. But, after the install I have found it really has not been necessary to do this but, it probably could not hurt either. When I get more ambitious I might look into adding this to my system. Since it works within my KISS (Keep it simple sailor) thoughts of electric propulsion.

As for water cooling I think it adds another layer of complexity (especially on a boat) not only with I assume having some type of pump to circulate the coolant but, to me also some concerns about corrosion and dissimilar metals especially in a salt water environment possibly requiring sacrificial zincs etc... Anyway it's just some issues that I think needs to be considered when installing them on a boat.

Capt. Mike

http://biankablog.blogspot.com

--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Eric <ewdysar@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Eric <ewdysar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: belt drives vs directly coupled motor shafts and torque
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 6:26 PM

Hi Jeremy,

Propulsion Marine has tested their external water cooling adapter and a 12V forced air fan and have documented a 30C reduction in motor temps under full load for a Motenergy ME0913. Data was collected using the manufacturer installed temp sensor buried in the windings.

Neither of these mods are overly difficult and don't require any modifications of the motor itself. There is some fabrication needed, programming of the controller, and of course wiring the fan and plumbing the cooler. To me, the results seem worth it for customers that need the extra power throughput. The price premium for the cooled drive system seems reasonable for someone like me that doesn't want to refine (rebuild) their modifications multiple times while performing their own R&D. Apparently, another part of the price difference between the 5.5kW and 7kW systems is a beefier gearbox to handle the increased power.

If I had a bigger boat, around 14,000lb displacement, I would probably go this route. Of course, I'm already a satisfied customer so I might be biased.

Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy" <jeremy_harris_uk@...> wrote:
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> I'd say that cooling the motors is always a very good thing to do, if you can find an efficient way to do it. Because the motor winding resistance is strongly temperature dependent (it increases with increasing temperature) the cooler you can keep the windings the lower their resistance will be and hence the lower their resistive losses will be. A side effect is that because cooler windings have less loss they don't produce as much heat for a given torque, so keeping them cool even when you're not drawing a lot of torque from them is beneficial.
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> Most motors don't easily lend themselves to water cooling, without some fairly difficult modifications, which is a shame, as we are almost always surrounded by water that is both cooler than the air around us and around 24 times better than it at getting rid of heat. If you can arrange direct water cooling of the motor windings, then there will be both a modest efficiency gain in normal use and a significant increase in the maximum continuous current that the motor will handle.
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> Jeremy
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