Saturday, April 16, 2016

Re: [Electric Boats] 24v LIFEPO4 Pack Questions

 

I've been using the miniBMS and EV Display combination on my 16x SP-LFP100AHAfor the past two seasons. The BMS cuts the charger when one of the cells reaches the cutoff voltage without issue. I have yet to discharge the pack to low voltage cutoff but expect the response to be the same. The EV Display is an amp hour counter. I have installed a toggle switch on the dry contact loop so that I can spoof a low/high event without unplugging any wires. I top balanced my pack when I bought it. And I remove the pack from the boat six months of the year -- it gets cold up here, well below the -20C storage temperature minimum rating. 

As for charging all day from solar, keep in mind that lithium chemistries don't tend to like being trickle charged once they're full. So make sure your solar controller can open circuit the panels or provide for a dump load
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Jason Taylor
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On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:54 PM, willmarsh3@gmail.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, I have been watching this forum from time to time and I'm ready to jump in.  I want to construct a 24v 8 cell lifepo4 100 Ah pack to power my trolling motor as auxiliary propulsion for my 20' Elver.  I plan to use a BMS to monitor the cells and detect high and low voltage on the cells and the pack.  This pack will be recharged by 200 watts worth of solar panels continuously while underway.  I'm leaning toward a Victron 75/15 MPPT controller configured for this battery charging profile.  The BMS may be the MiniBms used in some electric vehicles but I'm considering others.

In order to learn ab out this type of battery I constructed a 20Ah 12v prototype system and use it for charging a cell phone, tablet and other small devices.  I instrumented this prototype with various ammeters and voltmeters to check all the charging and discharging parameters.  I used top balancing for this and it seems to work well.

Question: Would bottom balancing the batteries be better than top balancing for this application?  The pack will be discharged at varying rates up to 55 amps but mostly in the 20 to 30 amp range.  The pack will be directly  connected to the trolling motor.  It will be charged at up to 6 amps by the solar panels all day.  I'm thinking this operating profile is more like that of an electric vehicle and bottom balancing would reduce the risk of excessively discharging a cell.  OTOH Top balancing is easier to achieve and works better with the solar charging controller.

Question:  Can cutting off the electricity to the motor by a contactor relay such as when the battery pack must shut down be harmful to the motor or speed controller?  Its a MinnKota Riptide 80 trolling motor.  I'm thinking of why one doesn't disconnect an alternator from the battery while the engine is running.

Question: Do you use an amp hour counter to keep tabs on the state of charge?  The voltage decreases very little from about 90% to 10% SOC so that would not be a great indicator.  What brands seem to work best?

Thanks for any constructive thoughts about this configuration.

Best regards,
Will


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