Rob: As I told the guy at the BETA booth you are about four years to late (for me at least). I might have gone with this system back then before I went with the ASMO MARINE and Honda 2000 combination. Today I would not go back to having a diesel on board. Because my system is working well for me. Still good to see more electric propulsion choices depending on how you want to go. Should be more choices in the future too. If your Lombardi is running good I agree there is certainly no need to change it. Capt. Mike
--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
From: Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] small marine hybrid engine
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:23 PM
Well Captain Mike , I guess its "horses for courses". I seriously tried hard to get a hybrid for my repower last year , but the companies involved , Hybrid Marine , Beta and Nanni , had nothing available in the size that I wanted , around 12hp.
Straight electric involves too many compromises which are unacceptable to me . My boat is running very well on its little 13hp Lombardini , when needed , it is completely reliable , safe , very economical , and gives me days of motoring at the turn of a key. I'm hoping there will be a motor sailer in my life in a year or so , and that will have a diesel hybrid auxiliary. There may be an all electric in my future , but it won't be in the same environment I'm sailing in now. Regards Rob J.
From: Mike <biankablog@verizon.net>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 15 October, 2010 4:16:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] small marine hybrid engine
| Larry and others: I've got some photos of the BETA MARINE hybrid from the show here: I think the Hybrid system was about $7 to 8k U.S. over a straight diesel in cost. I was pleased they also used the same Lynch motor that's on my boat. Fellow from BETA said it makes an excellent generator. But, I think this Hybrid is for those who like the idea of electric propulsion but, won't be happy unless they smell diesel in the bilge. You not only still have a diesel on board but, also need to carry a couple hundred pounds of battery too. IMO it will never be as clean as an all electric boat. Still good to see a number of electric systems on display at the show this year. Capt. Mike
--- On Wed, 10/13/10, larry <pfister.l@verizon.net> wrote:
From: larry <pfister.l@verizon.net>
Subject: [Electric Boats] small marine hybrid engine
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 3:51 PM
I was at the boat show in Annapolis and was making rounds of diesel engine manufacturers to get the latest diesel data. Beta was showing a small hybrid. The construction may be of interest in this group. They have taken a standard diesel(sizes 13 to 56 hp) with a hydraulic transmission and added an electric (10KW motor 5kw 48v generator (only choice)) at the output end of the drive train. this combination is coupled to the prop shaft using a spider type clutch/coupler that can be remotely used to disconnect the prop shaft from the engine. the Transmission is a 2.6:1 or higher to better match the prop needed for electric power. The electric is belt drive connected to the output shaft of the transmission. This arrangement provides the choice of diesel (motor off or in reduced charging mode)or electric motor propulsion (diesel off transmission in neutral electric motor running), operation as a diesel generator without propulsion (prop shaft disconnected), and potentially regeneration through the propeller (diesel off transmission in neutral electric motor set to generation). When questioned about the viability of propeller regeneration a paper published in Europe about using a 17 inch feathering propeller that was prevented from fully feathering to be used as for regen prop was produced. (I recognized the prop and it was in the "if you have to ask you can't afford class"(as much as many have spent on motors and batteries combined)The 17 inch does not fit many of the boats here either.
The system inside was only 6 or 7 inches longer than the standard diesel/transmission set up. Interestingly they kept the standard diesel alternator to charge the separate starting batteries for the diesel and balance the belt drive for other engine accessories.
I did not ask the price but obviously expensive.
It might be an interesting concept if you are replacing a working diesel that has a suitable transmission.
Larry
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