Hey Ernie,
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Hey Ernie,
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Michael
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I have never seen ANY smart charger that does a proper equalizing charge. That would be 62v for a 48v bank, by the way. I put a full manual charger together for equalization. Note to myself: its about time to do that to my propulsion bank.
I think you will get off lighter, price wise, by buying a 4 bank charger than a straight 48v charger. If there is room, keep your old charger as a backup. If one charging circuit of your new charger goes out, you can use one of the surviving ones in your old charger in a pinch. Or if you have a 12v house bank it could serve as a backup charger for that. Anyway I see 4 bank chargers of respectable size on sale often at Cabelas or Worst Marine quite often.
I had a Chinese 48v charger that came with my Kelly controller setup, but it went north on me and I bought one of those 4 bank chargers from West Marine to replace it and it has held up pretty good so far.
Meanwhile I picked up a nice 3kva Variac, a 100a 250v bridge rectifier, and an ammeter, for manual charging. Works great. Needs constant monitoring of course, and extra safety precautions due to not having an isolation transformer but it will gitter done. I have already brought two "dead" batteries back to life with it. The nice thing is I can charge just about anything with it because the voltage is constantly variable. My propulsion bank is 8 6v golf cart batteries and I can equalize them one at a time, or do an 8v or 12v batt, a bank up to 96v, whatevah.
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I have an Ericson 30+ with a Thoosa 9K motor. My only charging is done with shore power. My charger, a QuadPro has died. Well, half-died It's 4 12V chargers in a package, and 2 out of 4 are dead.
What do people here like for replacement? Another QuadPro? Something that instead would charge the whole 48 bank instead of charging each 12V battery separately? (Battery is made up of four 4D 12v 198 Amp Hour AGMs.)
I would like to maximize options like adding solar or running off a portable generator like Bianka does. Does that impact my charger options?
Any thoughts on Iota? OnNoco Genius? DSR Industries? DualPro Eagle? Others I have not thought of?
The general topic of charging the whole 48V bank versus each battery? If you do that do you use a separate 4 bank charger for equalization?
--Ernie Galvan
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[Attachment(s) from scottcoo@gmail.com [electricboats] included below]I had a milestone yesterday with the conversion of my Ericson 27... sea trials with the new electric motor! Yeah! As many have said the biggest challenge can be the removal of the old diesel. And this held true for me as well. Did a haul out which included bottom paint, top paint, diesel out, tank out, wires, cables, hoses, out, out, out, un-needed thru holes patched, prop and shaft cleaning, zincs, cutlass bearing, stuffing box replacement, cleaned and painted engine compartment... about 2 weeks of hard, but satisfying work spread over a 3 week period. I have a partner helping with the boat restoration, so it wasn't all me. Then installed the new electric motor which in comparison was nothing. The most challenging part was laying out the motor mounts (reused the old diesel mounts) to align with the prop shaft, but since the motor + mount + gear reduction weighed slightly more than 60lbs, it was a breeze compared to wrangling into alignment the old 250lbs diesel. Then it was time for a break and to stop paying boat yard fees, so we dropped it back into the water and I ordered the batteries and charger. I have attached a couple photos, some mounting and wire bundling still needs to happen along with a battery case that goes where the old gas tank. I also have a short movie (MOV) that I can send to anyone interested (not a Spielberg).Below are the parts that I used for those looking to jump into the electrical boating world. And please note, that this is not a recommendation for any of the parts as of yet. One sea trial does not make a glowing review, but so far I am very happy with the parts and the service from the companies I dealt with.Stuffing Box replacement: PSS dripless Shaft Seal (not a drip so far)Engine stuff: ThunderstruckEV.com which included (5kw sailboat kit, Mount and Gear Reduction, Sevcon Clearview displayBattery stuff: ElectricYachts.com (4) 105 AH Lifeline AGM's, QuickCharge 48v chargerAs for the sea trials, it was a little bit of toodling around the marina, getting familiar with the controls, speed, checking for leaks, vibrations, unnatural noises. Then a slightly longer trek out into the sound of about 1.5nm. The Sevcon display showed about a 95% full "tank" charge on return. I was taking it easy, no high revs or shooting for hull speed, so I am very optimistic that the 105Ah battery pack will do what I need at this stage of sailboat ownership. My fallback is to buy the tiny Honda 2000 generator for a longer trip up Puget Sound, although there are enough marina's along the way (South Puget Sound north to the San Juan Islands) that I think an overnight stay at a guest dock here and there might let me recharge all along the way (not sure about that yet).The battery sizing was difficult for me, so many variables. So I took a shot in the dark and bought the 105ah AGM's, The battery dimensions, weight and amp hours all played a role in my decision. Time will tell if that was a good decision.A final note to those following the electric conversion path, one of the other members on this board suggested taking my time in making the conversion, (two years). I think that was excellent advice, tossing in some patience let me research and plan without feeling pressured, although at times it was tough to sit at the marina while others were out playing in the wind and waves.Thanks to everyone on this message board, without this kind of support I never would have tried this conversion. So even if I didn't correspond with you directly, I expect that I read your posting.Cheers,-Scott
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Hi Group,
The attachment shows what I have so far for electrical layout. I'm not sure how to arrange the shunts for individual amp meters for both the Rayeo Electric Outboards. I'm not sure where to plug the generators into. I could go directly into the controller with the solar panels then all three generators would show up under the volt and amp hour gauges on the controller box. Also should the generators each have their own fuse?
Arden
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I have updated the layout diagram. Most if not all components are purchased already. It is the small items that have not been acquired yet but they do add up that is why I am asking for help in assuring that the layout is correct.
When you start to add up the cost of combiner boxes and #1/0 gauge cable and 100amp dc amp meters and shunts I don't care to order incorrectly.
Also I need to know how to access the can bus on my BMS. There has to be an easy way to get that data. I'm going to take apart the grill over the board in the contactor box and see if there is an outlet.
The thing that bothers me with this layout is that if for some reason the contactor trips because of any faults with the QANBUSS BMS then I would be lucky to only blow a fuse in the 440HVA or so they reiterate at the Missouri Wind website and videos.
Also does anyone make a MC4 cable calculator as I'm having a hard time calculat ing the number of connectors I need and where to get the seemingly short ones from?
Arden
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