Hi Neal,
I purchased my drive system from James at Propulsion Marine. He's in Santa Barbara and can size a system that would be right for your boat.
http://www.propulsionmarine.com/
Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA
No financial interest, just a satisfied customer.
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "nealwehtje" <nealwehtje@...> wrote:
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> Hello,
> I am looking for sources for electric systems to re-power. My boat is 14,000 lbs displacement. I could put a system together but I would rather buy a system from a good company. I sail out of Half Moon Bay, Ca.
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> Thank you, Neal
>
Saturday, June 5, 2010
[Electric Boats] Re: Re-power my Ericson 35
Re: [Electric Boats] Re-power my Ericson 35
I have a Moody 34 (11900 lbs) and am in the process of installing an electrictyacht 48 volt 260i system.
Skip
Hello,
I am looking for sources for electric systems to re-power. My boat is 14,000 lbs displacement. I could put a system together but I would rather buy a system from a good company. I sail out of Half Moon Bay, Ca.
Thank you, Neal
[Electric Boats] Re-power my Ericson 35
Hello,
I am looking for sources for electric systems to re-power. My boat is 14,000 lbs displacement. I could put a system together but I would rather buy a system from a good company. I sail out of Half Moon Bay, Ca.
Thank you, Neal
Friday, June 4, 2010
[Electric Boats] Re: 13 Ton Steel Ketch.......Considering converting to an electric drive
Hi Matt,
There are two common conversion formulae to size an electric conversion. The first is to divide the existing engine hp by 2 or 3 to determine electric hp. Unfortunately, this has to be vague to accomodate the wide ranges of installed engines. For example, many 30' sailboats have engines with more hp that your 39' ketch which would lead some people to consider your boat underpowered. Alternatively, the other conversion ratio is 1kW per ton of displacement. Since this relates directly to the boat itself, I find it much more reliable. Personally, I would find a 10kW drive marginal for your size boat and would look for something closer to 14kW from your description.
Higher power drives come with additional considerations. A 48V drive would draw 300A to deliver 14kW, 96V would halve that, but systems above 48V should comply with ABYC's requirements for high voltage systems addding cost and complexity.
Lots of people want regen, but I have yet to hear of anyone that has reliably generated more than 100w at 5kts. It is my opinion that it takes at least 7 to 8 knots of boat speed to generate any significant amount of electricity back into a battery bank. Most people are getting better results from PV solar panels, again adding cost and complexity.
Realistically, I would never recommend an electric conversion as a way to save money on a re-power. If you're thinking about building a DIY electric drive, you should be comparing that to a DIY install of a good used or rebuilt diesel. If you're using the cost of a turn-key professionaly installed diesel repower, compare that to a turn-key professionally installed electric system. Of course, many people will bring all the money you'll save over the next 10 years, but you still have to pay up front just to get sailing again.
Lastly, when you think about sizing your batteries, every 10kWh of battery bank roughly equals 1 gallon of gas. Once you have an idea of the size of your prospective bank, consider if you would sail your boat with that size gas tank, most electric conversions have less than 2 gallons of equivalent energy storage. I'm converting my 30' ketch because I can accept that I've got about 3/4 of a gallon (8kWh) when I'm full up. Many other boaters would not make the same choice. It all depends how you use your boat.
Your boat is a little larger than the "sweet spot" for electric conversions, which translates to bigger parts, higher voltages, more complex systems and more money. Don't get me wrong, it can still be a good idea, but you should be able to make an informed choice because its your boat and your money. There's nothing worse than learning some of this after you're already thousands of dollars into the game.
Fair winds,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "KetchNomad" <KetchNomad@...> wrote:
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> My NOMAD is a 1950 steel hulled 39' ketch (monohull) with a full keel of a J. Murray Watts design built in Hoerneke Boat Yard (WI), estimated at approximately 13 tons (probably a bit more). She is powered by a Universal Gas (not an Atomic 4 but its predecessor) 25 HP engine at 2500 RPM with a gear reduction of 2.25:1. The prop I believe to be a 19" 3-blade with an 11" pitch.....not 100% sure on this....found various old literature on the boat concerning the prop by the previous owner.
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> I have only recently been researching my various options in electric drive, but generally the consensus for pushing this much bulk is about an 8-10 kw motor, and I would prefer a regenerative system. Commercial applications are appearing rather pricey........
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> Any tips, advice, comments, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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> Thanks,
> Matt
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[Electric Boats] New to Electric Forum
Just to introduce myself....We are a group of interested boat lovers in the Netherlands that are busy creating a 27 foot launch in the Netherlands. We are trying to make a HYBRID with main power being electric motor powered by 8- 6 volt 245AH batteries and a diesel driven generator for axillary power and to charge batteries. Any body have a successful example so we dont reinvent the wheel??
[Electric Boats] 13 Ton Steel Ketch.......Considering converting to an electric drive
My NOMAD is a 1950 steel hulled 39' ketch (monohull) with a full keel of a J. Murray Watts design built in Hoerneke Boat Yard (WI), estimated at approximately 13 tons (probably a bit more). She is powered by a Universal Gas (not an Atomic 4 but its predecessor) 25 HP engine at 2500 RPM with a gear reduction of 2.25:1. The prop I believe to be a 19" 3-blade with an 11" pitch.....not 100% sure on this....found various old literature on the boat concerning the prop by the previous owner.
I have only recently been researching my various options in electric drive, but generally the consensus for pushing this much bulk is about an 8-10 kw motor, and I would prefer a regenerative system. Commercial applications are appearing rather pricey........
Any tips, advice, comments, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
Thursday, June 3, 2010
Re: [Electric Boats] 21' launch performance data
Thanks, Denny.
I'll have some photos of the "guts" soon, and then you'll see the influence of your build. Many thanks to all who responded to questions in my previous posts .
I was really after capacity with the Zimmer design, willing to sacrifice performance for the greater beam, wetted surface, and underwater volume. This boat will spend most of it's time on our railway or tide grid, so I wanted a substantial "backbone" to ease my mind.
All this increases the displacement, and the building cost, and the building time, etc. But there you go, "You pays your money and you makes your choices".
I had also considered a 25' double-ender by Charles Mower, but really don't have that kind of space available for a long-term project. I'm a sucker for double-enders.
I have come to realize that although the noise of an ICE is annoying, the vibration is also very tiring. Although the PMAC motor is reasonably quiet, it isn't as quiet as I had hoped, even out of the boat. I am very pleased, however, that the boat has almost no vibration, which I find adds tremendously to the relaxation when underway. The immediate throttle response is also very reassuring. Gotta be careful not to spill the drinks when manuevering hard.
-Tom