Yeah I guess that year is busted too, which is why I was originally going to do it in June, but as with all things marine, stuff goes wrong. I guess 2021 I'll try again.
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Re: [electricboats] 1900+ km in a Solar Electric Powered, Side Wheel Paddle Boat
It appears that the locks will be closed July 1, 2020 through October 31, 2020.
https://www.greatloop.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=574480&module_id=356370
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I was actually going to do that in 2019, a solar-electric world record of The Great Loop, but as always, things got in the way of making the non-winter window, so instead I'll just cruise around Florida. I believe the Great Loop is closed in 2020 for something going on with the locks in the northern part of the loop?
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I was actually going to do that in 2019, a solar-electric world record of The Great Loop, but as always, things got in the way of making the non-winter window, so instead I'll just cruise around Florida.
I believe the Great Loop is closed in 2020 for something going on with the locks in the northern part of the loop?
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Thanks for the kind words, but no, not even close to a record - even for the Murray River trip!
Some of the inspiration for our trip came from the 2 voyages made in the 1990's by Sunboat I and Sunboat II from Prince Alfred College in Adelaide. See http://www.solarnavigator.net/prince_alfred_college_adelaide.htm.
I believe the dollar cost (without any equalising for inflation) of River Snail was something less than 10% of that of Sunboat II, reflecting the reduced costs of solar panels and electrics in the intervening 20+ years, as well as the somewhat more "agricultural" construction of RIver Snail.
I believe the Mundoo 3 Solar Electric (https://www.storerboatplans.com/boat/motorboats/electricsolar-power/example-of-solar-electric-real-world-use-liveaboard-boat-and-cartop-canoe/
and www.woodenboat.com/library-content/185.woodenboat-issue.pdf ) has also cruised much of the Murray.
About the only claim we can make is that we are perhaps the first solar electric paddle wheeler to make the journey!
But it was a lot of fun...
Dave
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Some of the inspiration for our trip came from the 2 voyages made in the 1990's by Sunboat I and Sunboat II from Prince Alfred College in Adelaide. See http://www.solarnavigator.net/prince_alfred_college_adelaide.htm.
I believe the dollar cost (without any equalising for inflation) of River Snail was something less than 10% of that of Sunboat II, reflecting the reduced costs of solar panels and electrics in the intervening 20+ years, as well as the somewhat more "agricultural" construction of RIver Snail.
I believe the Mundoo 3 Solar Electric (https://www.storerboatplans.com/boat/motorboats/electricsolar-power/example-of-solar-electric-real-world-use-liveaboard-boat-and-cartop-canoe/
and www.woodenboat.com/library-content/185.woodenboat-issue.pdf ) has also cruised much of the Murray.
About the only claim we can make is that we are perhaps the first solar electric paddle wheeler to make the journey!
But it was a lot of fun...
Dave
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Hats off to him: these pioneers inspire new generations to challenge new boundaries.
One of my own heroines is the Breton, Anne Quemere: who attempted the almost impossible feat of traversing the Canadian Acrtic last year in a solar boat: her mission foundered, but her inspiraton lives on: https://www.facebook.com/expeditionarcticsolar/videos/265732707395923/
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Hats off to him: these pioneers inspie new generations to challenge new boundaries.
One of my own heroines is the Breton, Anne Quemere: who attempted the almost imposible feat of traversing the Canadian Acrtic last year in a solar boat: her mission foundered, but her inspiraton lives on: https://www.facebook.com/expeditionarcticsolar/videos/265732707395923/
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A fellow named Jim Greer did the Great Loop in a boat called the Ra that was 100% solar and that's about a 7000 mile trip. They didn't even carry a generator or a gas outboard for backup. Just raw solar power moving them as fast as the sun shined. It took him a couple years to do the whole thing and he lapped the east coast a couple times too.
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On Thursday, November 21, 2019, 11:51:16 AM EST, Robert Malcolm Kay <rob@paperclip.org.uk> wrote:
A really amazing journey!
I'm wondering if that is an international world record for inland solar boating: though I'm aware that some folk have travelled the 'Big circuit' in the USA by electric boat, I'm not sure if it was solar all the way or battery electric.
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A really amazing journey!
I'm wondering if that is an international world record for inland solar boating: though I'm aware that some folk have travelled the 'Big circuit' in the USA by electric boat, I'm not sure if it was solar all the way or battery electric.
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Re: [electricboats] 1900+ km in a Solar Electric Powered, Side Wheel Paddle Boat
I''m glad to rehook with the group and see what folks have done since. Love this update on the River Snail!
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G'day All:
I was reminded that I had been a member of this group when I saw the notification of the move to groups.io.
I had browsed the original Yahoo group a while back when contemplating building a solar boat.
We did build "River Snail (notopala solaris)" and I can report that we cruised her successfully down the navigable length of the Australia's Murray River during November / December 2017, a distance of just over 1900km taking us 6 weeks, completely under solar power.
If anyone is interested, further details are available in the blog at www.riversnail.wordpress.com.
Have fun,
Dave
Thursday, November 14, 2019
[electricboats] 1900+ km in a Solar Electric Powered, Side Wheel Paddle Boat
G’day All:
I was reminded that I had been a member of this group when I saw the notification of the move to groups.io.
I had browsed the original Yahoo group a while back when contemplating building a solar boat.
We did build “River Snail (notopala solaris)” and I can report that we cruised her successfully down the navigable length of the Australia’s Murray River during November / December 2017, a distance of just over 1900km taking us 6 weeks, completely under solar power.
If anyone is interested, further details are available in the blog at www.riversnail.wordpress.com.
Have fun,
Dave
Re: [electricboats] [Electric Boats] Re: Good news: the EBA will support the migration to Io .
I understand the problems some people have with Facebook Groups and membership (I have to use it anyway). I have had different but even stronger bad opinions about Yahoo and have been unable to post for years when I cancelled the yahoo email account I was forced to use to join this group. As someone who has had similar cancellation problems with a forum I initiated, I congratulate the great idea of moving this group over here. Too bad a solution like this won't work for the forum we have at boatsinthebelfry.com As someone who has only done some E.B. research for videos, I don't have a lot to offer except maybe some of the historical references I found. But, a few topic suggestions might be "Government labs solved the lithium ion over heating and fire problem while increasing power output by 1/3." Was this an urban myth, a cover-up or "fake news I read almost 2 years ago?" I seem to recall they planned to test the new batteries in defense projects, then maybe, let the tech trickle down to somebody. Obviously it hasn't trickled to Tesla Inc. Will the new movie re-kindle interest in electric alternatives? https://youtu.be/kue18AxK1tU
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Hi Electric Boats group,
RE: monetizing
I've been picking up on some of the discussions about migrating the group and agree that facebook is problematic and
I've just spent a few minutes on the Groups.io site and agree it would be a better option. I've been a bit too busy this year to do ahead with
the electric conversion of my 1974 Dufour 35 sailboat but I have already learned a lot from the wealth of knowledge and experience shared in this group
and hope to comb through the archives when I am ready to do my conversion.
In response to Rob's questions about monetizing the group, my company would be interested to become a sponsor if the group decides
to go the sponsorship route. I am involved in a startup in Berlin Germany that is launching some products for the marine market including some
portable lithium batteries for running trolling motors on small boats that will have good performance, safety and be affordable. (www.bronson-energy.com) We are close to the launch date
and will need to get more focused on marketing so its a good time for us to think about this. As a startup we don't have huge troves of cash to throw around
but I think it would be well spent marketing budget for us to be involved in a group like this.
reach out to me if you decide on a sponsorship scheme, martin@bronson-energy.com
best regards,
Martin
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:06 AM tvinypsi@gmail.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Thanks, Barci9999.
In fact, in view of all the back and forth on this discussion area on what would be done about the site shutdown, I joined the Electric Boat Association as a paying member last week.The EBA presently only has a handful or two of members in the U.S., but I liked the idea of joining an international organization, and I felt there was at least a chance that some other ElectricBoats group members would make the same decision.I'm still working on my conversion project, and so look forward to exchanging information with everyone in the near future.[-tv]Tom VanderMeulen
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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Yahoo Groups
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Is this with groups.io?
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UPDATE ON MIGRATION TO GROUPS.io
There are 800 groups ahead of us in the migration queue, it seems to move at roughly 100 per day – obviously that is dependent on the size of the groups, etc.So I am figuring that it will take about a week before I get the email saying all has been completed.Jeff
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UPDATE ON MIGRATION TO GROUPS.io
There are 800 groups ahead of us in the migration queue, it seems to move at roughly 100 per day – obviously that is dependent on the size of the groups, etc.
So I am figuring that it will take about a week before I get the email saying all has been completed.
Jeff
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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Good news: the EBA will support the migration to Io .
I just went through this with the Atkin Boats group. With over 900
groups ahead of you, and some behind you willing to pay a couple of C
notes to jump the queue, it'll take at least a couple of weeks for the
migration to be completed. Be patient.
BTW, I recently bought a little keel sailboat with an interesting
auxiliary drive -- a 24 volt trolling motor of the type that's supposed
to be bolted to the "cavitation" plate of a giant outboard, but it's
bolted to the side of the keel. So, I'll probably be participating more
here after the dust settles...
https://flic.kr/p/XBkXYq
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Fantastic Tim! Thanks!
We'll see where we're at when the migration is done. Great to know there's a backup.
Jeff
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I've archived all the photos (and files and messages) here:
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Feel free to grab copies and upload to the new site.
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I've archived all the photos (and files and messages) here:
https://app.box.com/s/wl19q84jp58njycgy1tcqoe6k98hers1
Feel free to grab copies and upload to the new site.
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Status from Groups.io
We are in process of transferring your group. Depending on Yahoo and demand, this may take several days.
Your group is awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about 956 groups ahead of it in the queue. [Stage 3 of 4]
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Your group is awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about 956 groups ahead of it in the queue. [Stage 3 of 4]
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Hi All, thanks Jeff for bringing threads together.. Wanted to send a quick update trying to pull together the activity from threads, a little update from the survey responses so far, and some ideas for next steps:
Archives
Complete archives have been saved. There are at least two backups that have been exported by group members:
- Tim Malcolm - tim@xmfi.org has made an archive (not sure with which tool/procedure) availible here:
https://app.box.com/s/wl19q84jp58njycgy1tcqoe6k98hers1
- I have made an archive using https://github.com/IgnoredAmbience/yahoo-group-archiver which is availible here: http://eb.ip8.org/archive/
Survey
I put up a very short survey here: https://forms.gle/fFHd3frYXMrEvjdq6 11 people have filled out (thanks so much!) and here is the summary so far:
1 - Members who responded use email to access/reply to group messages more than the group website (81.8% vs 36.4%) although significantly 18% ONLY us the group website. Some members use both email and the group website.
2 - 100% of members who responded would like to continue having the ability to post photos, 70% sharing documents, and 90% sharing links.
3 - Regarding possible new features: 70% are interested in a boat/project registery (in which members could create a boat/project, and upload related photos, updates, etc), 90% are interested in having a supplier/vendor directory, and 50% are interested in a classifieds / craigslist style feature. An additional request was for a lite data mode for when members are accessing from bandwidth constricted connections (sat, ssb, etc), which I think would be great!
4- Additional general notes from responding members included: request to strip extraneous html from emails, receive messages by email digest and respond on group website, importance of data portablilty, platform agnostic for future moves (if needed), and the need to raise some funding to support the group transfer (and perhaps ongoing operation)
It would be really great to get some more input here, so anyone that has a moment, please fill out survey here: https://forms.gle/fFHd3frYXMrEvjdq6 just takes a minute.
Thread comments / next steps:
In addition to the survey, there has been some good feedback in the message threads, which I would roughly summarize as:
1 - Strong agreement to NOT use Facebook. Lots of responses to this effect, so I think that is clear no go.
2 - Offer from a number of members to help transfer, and perhaps to help moderate going forward. Myles has noted he inherited the moderation role, and perhaps this is a good opportunity to build-up the group moderation / admin resources. I'll reach out to everyone that has offered help off list in the next couple days, and perhaps we can organize from there. If you are interested in being part of this effort (either for the transfer or for ongoing purposes) please let me know @ roland.wells@gmail.com
3 - Some worry related to proprietary platforms, and specifically related to limitations of Groups.IO offering. Now that we know we have archives saved, I think we should take our time to work through the input from members and offers for help so we can come up with the best long-term solution.
4 - Jeff with EBA has begun a transfer to Groups.IO. This certainly is the path of least resistence, and a big thanks to Jeff for moving this forward. That said, based on points above I think we should at least consider some of the feedback and raised concerns before we finalize the switch to Groups.IO. Jeff has sent several updates related to ongoing process of transferring.
More soon.
Thanks. Roland
Archives
Complete archives have been saved. There are at least two backups that have been exported by group members:
- Tim Malcolm - tim@xmfi.org has made an archive (not sure with which tool/procedure) availible here:
https://app.box.com/s/wl19q84jp58njycgy1tcqoe6k98hers1
- I have made an archive using https://github.com/IgnoredAmbience/yahoo-group-archiver which is availible here: http://eb.ip8.org/archive/
Survey
I put up a very short survey here: https://forms.gle/fFHd3frYXMrEvjdq6 11 people have filled out (thanks so much!) and here is the summary so far:
1 - Members who responded use email to access/reply to group messages more than the group website (81.8% vs 36.4%) although significantly 18% ONLY us the group website. Some members use both email and the group website.
2 - 100% of members who responded would like to continue having the ability to post photos, 70% sharing documents, and 90% sharing links.
3 - Regarding possible new features: 70% are interested in a boat/project registery (in which members could create a boat/project, and upload related photos, updates, etc), 90% are interested in having a supplier/vendor directory, and 50% are interested in a classifieds / craigslist style feature. An additional request was for a lite data mode for when members are accessing from bandwidth constricted connections (sat, ssb, etc), which I think would be great!
4- Additional general notes from responding members included: request to strip extraneous html from emails, receive messages by email digest and respond on group website, importance of data portablilty, platform agnostic for future moves (if needed), and the need to raise some funding to support the group transfer (and perhaps ongoing operation)
It would be really great to get some more input here, so anyone that has a moment, please fill out survey here: https://forms.gle/fFHd3frYXMrEvjdq6 just takes a minute.
Thread comments / next steps:
In addition to the survey, there has been some good feedback in the message threads, which I would roughly summarize as:
1 - Strong agreement to NOT use Facebook. Lots of responses to this effect, so I think that is clear no go.
2 - Offer from a number of members to help transfer, and perhaps to help moderate going forward. Myles has noted he inherited the moderation role, and perhaps this is a good opportunity to build-up the group moderation / admin resources. I'll reach out to everyone that has offered help off list in the next couple days, and perhaps we can organize from there. If you are interested in being part of this effort (either for the transfer or for ongoing purposes) please let me know @ roland.wells@gmail.com
3 - Some worry related to proprietary platforms, and specifically related to limitations of Groups.IO offering. Now that we know we have archives saved, I think we should take our time to work through the input from members and offers for help so we can come up with the best long-term solution.
4 - Jeff with EBA has begun a transfer to Groups.IO. This certainly is the path of least resistence, and a big thanks to Jeff for moving this forward. That said, based on points above I think we should at least consider some of the feedback and raised concerns before we finalize the switch to Groups.IO. Jeff has sent several updates related to ongoing process of transferring.
More soon.
Thanks. Roland
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:41 PM jeff@electricboatassociation.ca [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
There appear to be two threads connected to this topic, so I am posting in this one as well.
UPDATE: Nov 6 10:30 am ESTThe transfer to Groups.io is now underway
We are in process of transferring your group. Depending on Yahoo and demand, this may take several days. You will be notified by email when the transfer is completed.Also, they notified me that:IMPORTANT: Yahoo Groups has been very unreliable lately. We will do our very best, but there is a good chance that we may not be able to transfer all of your messages, photos or files. We will tell you which ones we were not able to transfer. Also, the migration queue is several days long at this point. Please be patient as we work through the backlog of transfer requests.ANOTHER NOTE FROM GROUPS.IOAlso note that it appears that most Photos sections are currently having an outage and it isn't known if they'll be restored prior to the deadline.
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