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On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 07:27:29AM -0700, Kevin wrote:
>
> Best answer to spam is strong passwords on your mail accounts.
I'm afraid that passwords have nothing to do with spam. You can have as
many passwords as you like, and people will still be able to flood you
with spam.
> Reporting all
> spam you receive to the feds, and filter your mail with a good client like
> Thunderbird, where you can set up the rules it filters by, and not using IE to
> read your mail in the browser because IE has way to many holes in it to be
> safe.
I receive over 1000 emails per day, of which 950+ are spam. "Reporting it
to the feds" would be a rather ridiculous waste of time, don't you
think?
In addition, reporting it may console you into thinking that you're
doing something; in reality, it bears no relation to the amount of spam
you're getting or will continue to get.
> The tool most spammers use is someone elses e-mail account.
That's also incorrect. Spammers don't care about "someone elses e-mail
account"; all they need is a list of addresses and a mail server
connected to the network. While some spammers use a distributed SMTP
network - i.e., taking over a large group of computers, installing mail
servers on them (regardless of any "e-mail accounts" that user may be
signed up for), and using them to broadcast email - most established
ones use large, powerful servers of their own. "E-mail accounts" play no
role in any of this.
> Fighting this is as
> easy as strong passwords on your accounts.
[sigh] You've said that before. Repeating doesn't make it any more
accurate.
> Phishing for your password is
> reduced using an OS like Mac OSX or Linux
Please look up the entry on "phishing" in Wikipedia. The term does not
mean what you think it means.
> That Keystroke recorders are only
> installed if you intensionally install one, rather than giving a virus the
> chance to install one for you.
Keystroke loggers ("recorders") also have nothing to do with spam.
They're a different attack vector for an entirely different purpose.
> The canspam act is why you want to report spam
> to the fed.
I quote (Wikipedia):
As of late 2008, CAN-SPAM has been all but ignored by spammers. A
review of spam levels in October 2006 estimated that 75% of all email
messages were spam, and the number of spam emails complying with the
requirements of the law were estimated to be 0.27% of all spam
emails.
By mid 2010, about 90% of email were spam.
> All other methods only keep people busy thinking they are stopping the problem.
The methods you've suggested above are based in misinformation - and
stating it in the above forceful and authoritative-sounding manner does
not improve their effectiveness.
At this point, fighting spam manually and personally is beyond the
ability of most individuals - unless they're quite expert in the
ins-and-outs of SMTP, mail protocols, filtering algorithms, etc. The
best option is to sign up for an email account with a professional email
service (about $2/month) and forget about having to deal with it,
period.
--
Ben Okopnik
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| Hey this just showed up in my mail box. Anyway you are forgiven and you are right the human body can't out out a lot of power for very long... on the bike at PT I can put out about 75 to 80 watts for about half hour or so at a time then it drops to about 50 to 60 watts.... --- On Tue, 10/18/11, Ben Okopnik <ben@linuxgazette.net> wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 04:39:56AM -0700, John Green wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> A better way might be to add a constant to all the addresses. Such as,
> in the case of Eric, "Eric" 123ewdysar@whatever.com The "123" is added
> to all addresses, and removed manually before sending emails. This might
> also have the benefit of filling the spammers mailbox with returned
> messages.
>
Actually it doesn't fill the spammer's mailbox with returned messages,
it fills the mailbox of some random other person who they choose to be
the sender with returned messages. None of these operations are silly
enough to use one of their own real email addresses as the sender of
these spamming runs.
There is no real solution to the problem while the human race is
collectively stupid. 'spam' as an advertising tool works. It's big
business. There are enough people out there who respond positively to
make it all worth it.
All we can do is try our best.
(Speaking as a sysadmin, who has run mail servers in the past AND has
been at the receiving end of 'back scatter' from a spamming run where
they used MY email address as the originator of the messages!)
Traditionally, shantyboats are unpowered vessels. They are live-aboard barges. They are either towed or drift in the current. They do have auxiliary power, usually in the form of oars, sculls, or poles, used for maneuvering and beaching. So, an electric outboard is viable for that purpose. But propulsion isn't what they most need electricity for. The major consuption is going to to go lights, pumps, appliances, and accesories like a computer. Solar power charging of batteries would be ideal since they typically have a large, rectangular roof to mount them on.
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan L" <spaceaxe@...> wrote:
>
> I have created a site on houseboat and shantyboat living. I would love to have some of you Bolger folks write an article for it. Is there a place for electric boat liveaboards? I post new info every day, but would love to have some of you who are building or thinking of building or who are living aboard share your thoughts. I don't make a dime, so can't pay, but we do get hundreds of page views a day.
>
> http://shantyboatliving.com
>
> Thank you
>
> Bryan
>
Best answer to spam is strong passwords on your mail accounts. Reporting all spam you receive to the feds, and filter your mail with a good client like Thunderbird, where you can set up the rules it filters by, and not using IE to read your mail in the browser because IE has way to many holes in it to be safe.
The tool most spammers use is someone elses e-mail account. Fighting this is as easy as strong passwords on your accounts. Phishing for your password is reduced using an OS like Mac OSX or Linux That Keystroke recorders are only installed if you intensionally install one, rather than giving a virus the chance to install one for you. The canspam act is why you want to report spam to the fed.
All other methods only keep people busy thinking they are stopping the problem.
Kevin Pemberton
On 10/22/2011 07:57 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
not in sent file which is automatically generated plus my IT person has other Yahoo customers it happened tothe real proof to you though should be Yahoo's IT which is working on it an admits they got broken into.Phishing is not new but they are getting more sophisticated.
Public trust in the mainstream media is at an all-time low, says a new Gallup poll. It's not surprising, of course, since most people have now come to realize the mainstream media is nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece that pretends to be engaged in reporting the news:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149624/Majority-Continue-Distrust-Media-Perceive-Bias.aspx
From: John Paramore <watertoyz@frontier.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Spam - and something to do about it
It's nice that Yahoo's told you that, but that guarantee it to be it
so. This thing has been around for a while now, and in advance of
anybody's "cloud". You see these spams on this group and others like
it because it's a mail list that's programmed to forward one member's
input to all members.
The bulk of such spams I receive are sent from private addresses TO
private addresses, sometimes including mail list addresses, and some
of those are from google groups and from other mail lists I've never
heard of before that seem to follow the interests of the
"sender"...Doesn't seem to be a hack-job so much as a harmless but
annoying bit of malware.
Sooooooo...Looking at your post I see it going to 5 yahoo mail-groups
and 2 private addresses. Perhaps you should compare the addresses in
your post to those in your address book.
John
On Oct 21, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> not from my machine. yahoo tech support knows all about it and has
> not solved it
> IT people tell me the 'cloud' got hacked?
>
> -Kirk
Hey Ryan,
How about a course on "stay off the bottom", or "rules of the road", better yet "considerate boating", Then there is GPS navigation and the tools of the trade". These titles would help all boaters learn what is needed to safely travel the waterways. These I learned long before I learned how to sail from my Dad, whom didn't sail, and it helped me all the years I spent on the water as an adult.
the lack of these courses were the major factor of my choosing to sail south of the good old U.S. of A. "Got Tests?" "Got completion of course diploma?" if so you could slip such information into a course and improve travel on the US water ways.
Oh yes, I can teach someone how sail in an hour, but the other topics take much longer. I am a slow responder to e-mail but if you would like some help on classes you could ask me and we would switch to another of my e-mail addys.
Kevin Pemberton
On 10/23/2011 11:46 AM, ryan_on_the_beach wrote:
Hey all, sorry messed up the links in the last post, these should work.
I've started a small basic online sailing course for very basic
sailing edu. To help those that are interested in learning to sail.
Please note, this is early
days still building, so am looking for some feedback. Am busy with the
quiz
application so that people can test their knowledge onlineSo it's a basic start to how to sail, with a free sailing course...
Here are some of the lessons:
Parts of a sailboat
Parts of a sailboats rig/rigging
Parts of a sail Types of sails
Man overboard procedureLet me know if you have any comments or suggestions!
Thanks
Ryanonthebeach
100% ! +1
In fact, the most expensive parts are going
to fail first. Not good engineering, it seems like. :(
By contrast, a Minn Kota C2 30 (30 lbs. thrust) goes for about a hundred
bucks, brand new, requires no labor, and comes with a couple of years of
warranty. That's pretty hard to beat.
Ben
I have created a site on houseboat and shantyboat living. I would love to have some of you Bolger folks write an article for it. Is there a place for electric boat liveaboards? I post new info every day, but would love to have some of you who are building or thinking of building or who are living aboard share your thoughts. I don't make a dime, so can't pay, but we do get hundreds of page views a day.
http://shantyboatliving.com
Thank you
Bryan
