Rob, the part of the message that dealt with contacting the broker was not directed to you,Sorry if the post came off in that fashion. just to a unknown party.
It dosent seem over complex, just good redundancy, I have two steering stations, 3 autopilots, 3 anchors, ect... I believe in redundancy, It seem simple in my mind. First they dont make a large enough motor for my application, and as the size increases so does it limit choices. The price more than doubles per horse power, and the battery charging and controllers are limited, Needless to say not every were I can get 220v or 440V for shore power. If I ran multiple battery banks of 24 or 48 volts, I could be generating enough power with the gen set alone, until I engage most or all of the motors, and then it would only drain them down past the gen set power contribution. I went over to the DIY Cars and they are doing similar projects, but they are limited in room and weight, I have much more room than a pinto, and can handel much more weight than the current ICE.
Now in the car forums they half the load at start up and then half the voltage and double the amperage once the vehicle is moving a certain speed, this I believe is so that they dont over heat and blow the motors from the torque, Or did I miss something? Will I have the same problem? will cooling satisfy this effect?
Thanks again for the responce
Nicholas
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@...> wrote:
>
> Well I certainly didn't contact the brokers.
> I've just given you my opinion of what I think is a workable solution , based
> really on what the companies that I put up suggest themselves.
> I don't have 2 degrees , or heaps of money to throw around , I've just been
> researching what I believe to be a workable solution for myself , for
> motorsailers 30-35 ft long.
> What you propose , to my pea brain seems unnecessarily complex , and very
> expensive.
> All the best of luck with your project , I'll crawl back in to my hole now.
> Regards Rob J.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ibles_world <ibles_world@...>
> To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 11 January, 2011 4:57:10 PM
> Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: New To the forum and thinking of Repowering a 65
> motor sailer
>
> First I want to thank you for responding, But some people have been calling and
> e-mailing my boat broker, He has better things to do, like sell boats, The boat
> is still listed as pending, its not for sale. It was sold to me last month...
> The sale is final and transferred. If you need more info, you can post here. If
> your a dealer for this sort of hardware, I will diffidently want to talk to you
> to discuss my options. The boat is currently in Portland Oregon, at the end of
> February I will be sailing it down to Vallejo California marina were the work
> will be done.
>
> I have many additional photos if needed
>
> I went through the older post and a lot of the info and websites, manufactures
> and distributors are no longer in business. I know if I bought a Seimans or Mann
> they wont be out of business next year. I do fear buying a hybrid system and I
> have maintainable problems, If they are separate units, Electric Motor and Gen
> Set I can always replace the gen set with ease. I looked at the 360ibl and it
> shows me at a negative 4.5 KW and that with nothing else running, So I will have
> to upgrade my gen set to at least 25kw and Im unsure if I will be saving any
> diesel with this setup and its only for a 40ft max. Or am I missing the fact
> that it runs at 18kw at full open and my gen set will power it at cruise
> speeds??
>
> I found this one, not sure of price, but its water cooled, and its 50kw
>
> http://www.uqm.com/pdfs/HiTor%20%282.4.09%29.pdf
>
> I believe to replace the current motor and not have a loss of power it would
> take between 50kw and 70kw if my math is correct? Please correct me....
>
> I have a few other issues also with shore power I receive 15amps at 120 volts
> only. And a boat this size its not easy to get moorage just anywhere.
>
>
> I also was on another site and it looked as if multiple motors could be setup in
> tandem with one another, This looked like a valuable option, I could mount 2 or
> more smaller drive motors with clutches to a single shaft, and engage only the
> the amount needed, saving energy, and when the torque is maxed, just engage
> another motor release the clutch and power it up to get more speed. Using 3-4
> or more motors in this fashion would give me the also peace of mind redundancy.
> All the motors would be smaller and at 24 or 48 volts I would have a lot of
> inverter and charger options, They would however use a high rate of power if all
> were engaged, but I dont need the boat to plane, just get out of trouble if I
> have pirates, a bad storm or to cross a sand bar against the tide. The rest of
> the time I could motor sail under my generated power. The gen set running would
> conserve fuel and be easier to mitigate the noise. currently the rear state room
> isnt unbearable but you can feel and hear the motor running, I dont require
> silence, but a little quite would be nice. Generally speaking a motor or needs
> to be running for the electronics anyway at least part of the time.
>
>
>
>
> Would I need a multi speed transmission to allow the motors to turn at a given
> rpm and not over heat if only one or two motors are running and the rest are
> idle? or would they just turn the prop at a slower rate and they are torqued
> out?
>
> I also see the benefit to this type of system, I can start with 2 motor systems
> and add more motors to gain the desired result since space nor weight is a
> problem. I could keep an extra set up on hand in-case a unit went out, it would
> be a simple hot swap.
>
> I look forward to knowing if anyone else has tried this systems and did it fail?
> and if so Why?
>
>
> So why Im I doing this? The last mechanics that worked on the boat charged over
> 12k in Anacotees At North Harbor Diesel, They did a mechanical survey and then
> was superposed to eliminate all items on the survey, unfortunately they did not
> complete even one job correct for this money and then another boat damaged the
> boat, and they didn't tell the owner of it, repaired the damage, and then
> charged the insurance company, they only reason anyone know about it was the
> insurance company would not pay them until they had it signed off by the boats
> owner... bad... vary bad... stay away from them.... So for 12k gone..I will now
> have to redo most of their work, and then still have tired diesel to deal with.
> So If I am to re-power this I will do most of the installation, I have 2
> engineering degrees and can fabricate just about anything, I will, over the next
> two years, invest.... lose about another 300k into this boat to make it do and
> go where and how I like. But this is cheap, the top paint alone the yard wanted
> 75k... and the total bill was over 500k without a repower
>
> I look forward to hearing your thoughts.... comments both positive and negative,
> but please leave the broker (Andrew) alone....
>
>
> Nicholas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Rob Johnson <dopeydriver@> wrote:
> >
> > Here are a couple more companies , if you read through the sites , it will give
> >
> > you some idea on what is readily achievable.
> >http://news.nauticexpo.com/press/nanni-diesel/nanni-hybrid-system-energy-in-blue-here-and-now-21510-194466.html
> >
> > http://www.hybrid-marine.co.uk/13.html .
> > Also , before you get too enthused on any one product , do a pricing , there is
> >
> > a huge variation.
> > Nicholas , there is a difference between a diesel-electric , and a hybrid
> > system.
> > I would suggest you go for a hybrid system , with a reasonable battery supply.
>
> > By the time that is built in properly , you will see your budget diminished
> > substantially.
> > But that should allow you to motor sail better.
> > Just keeping that prop turning over is going to help , but you also have enough
> >
> > power to point a little higher under sail etc , it will make your boat look and
> >
> > feel a better sailing boat than it is.
> > To get that boat motoring in electric power mode to 10 knots + is going to cost
> >
> > big bickies , a hybrid will do the job well for you , I believe , and a lot
> > cheaper.
> > FWIW Rob J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: James Sizemore <james@>
> > To: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, 11 January, 2011 5:38:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] New To the forum and thinking of Repowering a 65
>
> > motor sailer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Master volt has a hybrid add on that can be added to any engine, that might be
> >
> > what your looking for.
> > http://www.mastervolt.com/marine/products/hybridmaster/hybridmaster-96/
> >
> > Out side of that the highest hp electric motor that runs at safe 48 volts is
> >the
> >
> > Electric yacht
> >360i. http://www.electricyacht.com/electric-yacht-products/electric-yacht-system.html
> >l
> >
> >
> > There are a lot of "system" diagrams on Mastervolts site for different types of
> >
> > yachts.
> > They seem to recommend dual pods for your size vessel.
> >
> > Good luck and ignore the wave of negative emails that are about to come your
> > way.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2011, at 10:46 PM, "ibles_world" <ibles_world@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >I purchased a 65ft Motor Sailor, Wellington Design, details can be found here
>
> > >
> >>http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=1797052&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=60410&url=
> >=
> > >
> > >
> > >I would like to re-power this craft with a diesel electric in-board system, I
>
> > >plan on taking the boat for extended cruising, I am budgeting 30k for this
> > >modification, I would like to do it for less but if it cost more I fully
> > >understand that this is a boatt = Bust Out Another Ten Thousand.
> > >
> > >It is Powered by a 160hp Lehman turbo diesel engine presently (Running well),
>
> > >15' beam, 68000lbs displacement (With the current power plant) it drafts at 6'
> >
> > >with cruising gear, it has a Northern Lights 12.5kw generator Will upgrade if
> >I
> >
> > >have to. Hydraulic pto generator uninstaller but will be reinstalled, 1000
> > >Gallon Diesel fuel tank, the solar panels are too old and worthless to
> > >contribute any notable power. plan on replacing them with better larger flat
> > >panels
> > >
> > >The Boat does 10 knots on average and I would like a bit more if it wont
> >matter
> >
> > >too much. The boat has a walk around engine room, so space in not an object.
> >The
> >
> > >current prop in a 3 blade variable pitch that I will be keeping.
> > >
> > >There is much I probable left out of this post, so please ask.
> > >
> > >Thank you
> > >
> > >Nicholas
> > >Ible's World
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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