Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Houseboat

 

Hello all,

I also have a 38 foot holiday mansion,

Has anyone considered a diesel - electric with a 144 volt system?

24 or 36 batteries?

My thought is, 10-20 hp is not enough power?

I would be interested in hearing any input or original ideas for a project this size.

Thanks

Scott

 



From: Watertraveler <rmugfor@yahoo.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 12:28:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Houseboat

 

I don't know how it happen but my pictures are under watertravler.

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, James Sizemore <james@deny.org> wrote:

From: James Sizemore <james@deny.org>
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Houseboat
To: "electricboats@ yahoogroups. com" <electricboats@ yahoogroups. com>
Cc: "electricboats@ yahoogroups. com" <electricboats@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 6:42 PM

 
I would like to see pictures of your 10 hp setup


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On May 11, 2010, at 12:26 PM, "rmugfor" <rmugfor@yahoo. com> wrote:

at all you'll need for that littl= e run.Get a high thrust if you can. If your set on electric I'll send you a picture of a V drive set-up I = have.It's a 10hp motor collared to the V drive.Do 8 12 volt batteries 2 cha= rgers and you 6.5 gen to run the chargers.(4 batteries 1 charger for each m= otor,48 volts) --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, maria_kirol wrote: > > Thanks for all the feedback. The boat has a 6.5kw gas genset. I would a= lso consider adding solar and wind generation. How much would that extend = the range? I definitely like the idea of using green power. We basically = intend to use this boat to go out to raft up=20 > for the weekend then head home. This is not going to be a coastal cruise= r. >=20 >=20 > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, "Eric" wrote: > > > > Maria, > >=20 > > I have to agree with Denny, your boat is not a good candidate for an el= ectric conversion. But that's just my opinion, so you can make the choice = yourself. If you choose twin 4kW motors, simple drive systems (motor and c= ontroller) cost about about $2000 a piece and then you need batteries. You= suggested T-105s, a good inexpensive solution. Eight t-105's (48V) weigh = about 500 pounds and cost about $1200. I would suggest a seperate bank for= each motor. > >=20 > > Looking at the available range, I don't know what load your boat would = put on the drive systems, but it should be considerably more than most of t= he other conversions described onthis board. If the motors were run at 60A= (3kW), each battery bank has a usable range (65% depth of discharge) of ju= st under 90 minutes. If your cruise speed with both motors ends up at 4kts= , that is a range of just under 6 miles before you need a full recharge. T= wo 48V chargers will run another $1000, putting your basic installation pas= t $7000. > >=20 > > If you have currents to deal with or strong winds, then I question how = safe these drives would be on your big houseboat.=20= 20 > >=20 > > A 25 hp hi-thrust outboard with power tilt and trim should cost less th= an $4000. The outboard would be cheaper, lighter, simpler, more powerful a= nd have longer range. It's your call... > >=20 > > Fair winds, > > Eric > > Marina del Rey, CA=20=20 > >=20 > > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, maria_kirol wrote: > > > > > > What type, style or voltage would you recommend then? If I used troj= an t105 6v bats (or something similar) how long would these motors run. Ag= ain, I do not plan on going far or running the motors long, I just want to = get out to raft up by the beach, maybe 10 miles tops each way.... I know t= his will be slow but I want it to be safe and reliable. I am trying to do = this for $3-5k if possible. I am also considering a 15hp outboard kicker a= s a backup. > > >=20 > > > > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, "hardy71uk" wrote= : > > > > > > > > > > I think a pair of 3 to 4Kw electric motors connected to the V dri= ves would give you what you want . > > > > >=20 > > > > > Chris S > > > > >=20 > > > > > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, maria_kirol wro= te: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a houseboat that I am rebuilding. It is a 38ft aft cabi= n holiday mansion. This boat came with twin small block crusader inboards = hooked to borg-warner v-drives 2.00:1 ratio. With the original power this = boat would do a very frightening 30+kts I just want something that will mov= e this boat at 3-5kts. What sort of electric motors would I need to accomp= lish this? Could the motors be hooked to the v-drives or directly to the p= rop-shaft? Is this even a do-able project? I don't want to spend a fortun= e for this either. I have seen golf cart motors up to 24hp. Would somethi= ng like that work in this case? > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Just looking for suggestions. > > > > > > Thnx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --M18oZx-Sp9FrTXuZv acv4vh0KK5fQsXMK XBlxfs Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO- 8859-1 Content-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit  
I live on my boat and travel around so I need power,if all your going to do is out to raft up don't bother with the time and expense.
If you want to put a outboard on it that all you'll need for that little run.Get a high thrust if you can.
If your set on electric I'll send you a picture of a V drive set-up I have.It's a 10hp motor collared to the V drive.Do 8 12 volt batteries 2 chargers and you 6.5 gen to run the chargers.(4 batteries 1 charger for each motor,48 volts)

--- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, maria_kirol <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the feedback. The boat has a 6.5kw gas genset. I would also consider adding solar and wind generation. How much would that extend the range? I definitely like the idea of using green power. We basically intend to use this boat to go out to raft up
> for the weekend then head home. This is not going to be a coastal cruiser.
>
>
> --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, "Eric" <ewdysar@> wrote:
> >
> > Maria,
> >
> > I have to agree with Denny, your boat is not a good candidate for an electric conversion. But that's just my opinion, so you can make the choice yourself. If you choose twin 4kW motors, simple drive systems (motor and controller) cost about about $2000 a piece and then you need batteries. You suggested T-105s, a good inexpensive solution. Eight t-105's (48V) weigh about 500 pounds and cost about $1200. I would suggest a seperate bank for each motor.
> >
> > Looking at the available range, I don't know what load your boat would put on the drive systems, but it should be considerably more than most of the other conversions described onthis board. If the motors were run at 60A (3kW), each battery bank has a usable range (65% depth of discharge) of just under 90 minutes. If your cruise speed with both motors ends up at 4kts, that is a range of just under 6 miles before you need a full recharge. Two 48V chargers will run another $1000, putting your basic installation past $7000.
> >
> > If you have currents to deal with or strong winds, then I question how safe these drives would be on your big houseboat.
> >
> > A 25 hp hi-thrust outboard with power tilt and trim should cost less than $4000. The outboard would be cheaper, lighter, simpler, more powerful and have longer range. It's your call...
> >
> > Fair winds,
> > Eric
> > Marina del Rey, CA
> >
> > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, maria_kirol <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What type, style or voltage would you recommend then? If I used trojan t105 6v bats (or something similar) how long would these motors run. Again, I do not plan on going far or running the motors long, I just want to get out to raft up by the beach, maybe 10 miles tops each way.... I know this will be slow but I want it to be safe and reliable. I am trying to do this for $3-5k if possible. I am also considering a 15hp outboard kicker as a backup.
> > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, "hardy71uk" <p0054107@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think a pair of 3 to 4Kw electric motors connected to the V drives would give you what you want .
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris S
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@ yahoogroups. com, maria_kirol <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a houseboat that I am rebuilding. It is a 38ft aft cabin holiday mansion. This boat came with twin small block crusader inboards hooked to borg-warner v-drives 2.00:1 ratio. With the original power this boat would do a very frightening 30+kts I just want something that will move this boat at 3-5kts. What sort of electric motors would I need to accomplish this? Could the motors be hooked to the v-drives or directly to the prop-shaft? Is this even a do-able project? I don't want to spend a fortune for this either. I have seen golf cart motors up to 24hp. Would something like that work in this case?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just looking for suggestions.
> > > > > > Thnx.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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