FYI - I'm basing a lot of this on this factory Lagoon 41' Cat.(from 1994!!!!)
http://www.catamarans.com/ElectricLagoon/multihulls_waypoint_article.asp
Just found this one, wind,solar,regen only!!!!
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/hybrid_electric.html
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "sgallagher1969" <sgallagher1969@...> wrote:
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> Nothing for the consumer refit market.
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> They have partnered with a yacht builder:
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> http://www.hbmarine.com/media/download_gallery/Independence%2060%20updated%20brochure%2002%202010.pdf
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> You could build a system yourself if you wanted. Everything is currently available. Just need to figure out the details for your particular application.
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> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Alan Boucher <alstheone@> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/6/2010 7:04 PM, sgallagher1969 wrote:
> > >
> > > (Sorry this got wordy)
> > >
> > > Greeting all first post. I'm getting a small inheritance and am
> > > looking a purchasing a used sailboat. During my research I (as some of
> > > you) have come to the conclusion that it's possible to basically run
> > > the boat off the grid and be self-sustainable if converted to electric.
> > >
> > > As part of this I believe that it's possible using the
> > > self-regeneration of the electric drive, instant on capability of a
> > > fuel cell (w/o losing power to a starter battery on a diesel starting
> > > and stopping all the time),95% efficiency of a ultra-capacitor to be
> > > fuel free and off the grid. Electronic monitoring can used to
> > > instantly and automatically turn on the fuel cell to supplement loads
> > > or charge the capacitors/battery when necessary before they get too low.
> > >
> > > The biggest issue is producing power over stretches of windless
> > > overcast days. Metal hydride hydrogen storage containers are safe, but
> > > very expensive to store enough to even run 1kW for 8hrs. Realistically
> > > 4 hours is about all before it starts to get cost prohibitive. A 900L
> > > stack runs about 14L/min pure H2 Solution? Produce on board using a
> > > commercial hydrogen electrolyzer for pure hydrogen (not HHO).
> > >
> > > The electrolyzer will never keep up with full running of the cell but
> > > if a specific battery pack is filled by wind, solar, or regen you
> > > should be able to keep the unit running almost 24/7. Since the cell
> > > stack is typically only used to supplement heavy loads the
> > > electrolyzer should be able to keep the entire system near capacity.
> > >
> > > Those of you who have already done the conversion what are your
> > > thoughts on how big of a stack would be necessary? I really think you
> > > could get away with 500w maybe even 300w if you added extra batteries.
> > >
> > > Now that I've had my "brilliant" epiphany, I start looking and pricing
> > > out parts, and then I come to this:
> > > http://www.hbmarine.com/media/download_gallery/HB%20Marine%20Overview%203Feb10b.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > the actual patent is here:
> > > http://www.hbmarine.com/media/download_gallery/HBMarinePatent.pdf
> > >
> > > Only difference is they are using a fuel cell 10x bigger than the one
> > > I thought was too big, and they don't include the efficiencies of
> > > using an ultra-capacitor. HOW CAN YOU PATENT THIS? They are not using
> > > any of their original parts. Not the fuel cell, switching is used with
> > > wind & solar all the time, plenty of companies are installing electric
> > > motors, water generators are already in most cruisers anyway,his only
> > > original idea was to connect the electrolyzer to the ships water
> > > supply.... well...duh.
> > >
> > > So after all that is this a challenge-able patent, and how can you
> > > even patent it? To my knowledge no one has a patent on pv integration
> > > of your home or boat, so how can you patent what at least to me is
> > > common sense??? If they built a product that took in seawater,
> > > converted it to hydrogen, stored the hydrogen and then used it to
> > > produce electricity, and was in an all inclusive box..ok. But to take
> > > a bunch of parts from the consumer market and patent it??????
> > >
> > > If you can patent "systems" like this they why can't Toyota, Ford or
> > > GM patent having a fuel cell in a car? I'm not looking to go into
> > > shipbuilding nor am I looking to get filthy rich, just wanted to take
> > > a boat convert it, and use it as proof of concept. Then possibly go
> > > into business actually doing the conversions as a way to pay for the
> > > "lifestyle"
> > >
> > > I wonder how much of a "royalty" they want?? :(
> > >
> > > Anyhow thanks to all in advance for any responses.
> > >
> > > And just to cover my butt. Any thoughts or ideas expressed here are
> > > either properties of their prospective owners or I am laying claim!
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > What a "unique idea" Have they reduced it to practice? Do they have a
> > packaged system to sell?
> >
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