Monday, June 25, 2018

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Project lagoon 410

 

Hi Fred

How many time do you really have with only your 2x50 amp ( before using the generator)?

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Le 8 juin 2018 à 10:10, Berlouin Fred berlouin@yahoo.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :

 

Hi Pascal

I have a 45' electric sailboat. I did the conversion. I do not regret. Throw overboard those two alcoholic, stinky, smoky crews maned Diesel … They are from another millennium.

Beware… they will try to come back onboard by all means or as avatar called technician or mechanical engineer. Be without mercy…. feed the sharks.

 

For your cat, I will guess the 2 x 5kw motors could be enough, but it does not cost much more to get 2 x 10kw. I have 1 x AC20 HPEVs rated 7hp only, and it is more powerful than a 25hp diesel.

2 x 50 amps lithium batteries are fine, they are only 25kg each. you can always add more with the time if you need. They are easy to fix. Don't bother with lead batteries, it does not worth it ( I have 2 x 50 amps…a backup battery is useful). 48v is fine, it is safe and common. For the charger, I will recommend an IP rating.

A small generator gives more confidence for sailing  and more comfort to live onboard.

About regeneration under sail, I don't get any. When I switch on the electric motor, the shaft slows down from 200 RPM to 30 RPM !.  With your cat, you may get a trickle from 8-10 knots sailing speed.

 

Oceanvolt and others have electric sail drives… I don't know the price. It will be a big boatbuilder job to fix new propeller shafts, shaft bearings and build up a 10mm steel structure to receive the new electric motors ...... Otherwise, find your electric motor, get the right gearhead with a compatible face and the proper reduction matching your propeller. There are so many gearheads from agriculture machine to IT robotic, google to find yours. The tricky point may be the coupling between the existing sail drive leg and the gearhead output. With a little of laser cut and DIY, you will get your way

Two improvements from my conversion would be:

-Regeneration at common and comfortable cruising sailing  speed.

-Wireless controller for the electric motor in marina, anchoring, sail handling…

Don't use any German product if you don't want to speak German, if you don't want an Hitlerian cross on your boat or if you want to use your boat.

I hope those few words will help. Have fun.  Good luck


On Thursday, June 7, 2018, 4:56:08 AM GMT+12, mike@electricyachtssocal.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I believe that the Lagoon 410 has Yanmar saildrives.  My recommendation would be to replace both the motor and saildrive as the most prudent way to go. Yanmar saildrives from that era are known to have issues.  You would be well served with two 20kW electric motors to replace the 35-40hp diesels originally installed by the builder.  They would also be well matched with a single 10 to 15kW generator that would provide range extension, reduce battery weight, and support reasonable cruising speed.

I am not fully up to date on all saildrive options, but would think you should look at these vendors: Electric Yacht, OceanVolt, and Torqeedo for marine grade systems.  There may be others that I am not aware of. 

Mike
Electric Yacht Pacific

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018

[Electric Boats] Re: 1983 Duffy 18 Thunderstruck conversion completed: 131MPGe

 

HI Benjablog,
Would you happen to have any pictures of how you completed the connection to the shaft and the motor mounting?  I have a 1996 classic 18 and I'm considering the same conversion.  Thanks!
Jim

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Sunday, June 17, 2018

[Electric Boats] throttle

 

I just replaced a Sevcon Millipak with a Sevcon Gen4 on a Solidnav unit. Turns out the 5k ohm Potentiometer is broken. Is the controller programmed to the specific pot or will any 5k ohm potentiometer work?

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Friday, June 8, 2018

[Electric Boats] Re: Project lagoon 410

 

Hi Pascal,
Motors are brushless ME0913 from Motenergy (5kw. I believe); packaged and programmed by Electric Yacht using Sevcon 4 controllers and belt reduction. E.Y. need to have Sevcon 'brain' returned to them to make any changes to the controller. (I'm not smart enough to program them myself). Motors get a little warm. I understand they are discontinued. New one is ME1306.
My 48v. battery banks are 700ah each. (Got a deal from Balqon)
Electric Yacht recommended 260ah. for 3-4 hours motoring (if I remember).
So far we have motored about 8 hours under batteries alone.
We have Honda 2000 generator on board; 110v. into the charger. We can motor as long as we have enough gas (petrol). Solar panels will be installed on the hard Bimini soon.
The Farrier hull shape is finer than yours - so doesn't take a lot to move the boat.
We had mast problems soon after launch (still waiting for replacement); so have not sailed enough to check out regen; but from all info. found on this forum - we should get some regen. over 6 knots. We only need 10 kts. of wind for that.
48v. battery chargers are Chinese, purchased from Elcon in Sacramento. Do NOT deal with them - they will not answer questions about the products they sell. Chargers are programmed to cut off charge at 56.8v. (conservative)! The chargers are available under different brand names from others.
We use Victron battery monitors.
Cheers
Graham

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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Project lagoon 410

 

Hi Pascal

I have a 45' electric sailboat. I did the conversion. I do not regret. Throw overboard those two alcoholic, stinky, smoky crews maned Diesel … They are from another millennium.

Beware… they will try to come back onboard by all means or as avatar called technician or mechanical engineer. Be without mercy…. feed the sharks.

 

For your cat, I will guess the 2 x 5kw motors could be enough, but it does not cost much more to get 2 x 10kw. I have 1 x AC20 HPEVs rated 7hp only, and it is more powerful than a 25hp diesel.

2 x 50 amps lithium batteries are fine, they are only 25kg each. you can always add more with the time if you need. They are easy to fix. Don't bother with lead batteries, it does not worth it ( I have 2 x 50 amps…a backup battery is useful). 48v is fine, it is safe and common. For the charger, I will recommend an IP rating.

A small generator gives more confidence for sailing  and more comfort to live onboard.

About regeneration under sail, I don't get any. When I switch on the electric motor, the shaft slows down from 200 RPM to 30 RPM !.  With your cat, you may get a trickle from 8-10 knots sailing speed.

 

Oceanvolt and others have electric sail drives… I don't know the price. It will be a big boatbuilder job to fix new propeller shafts, shaft bearings and build up a 10mm steel structure to receive the new electric motors ... Otherwise, find your electric motor, get the right gearhead with a compatible face and the proper reduction matching your propeller. There are so many gearheads from agriculture machine to IT robotic, google to find yours. The tricky point may be the coupling between the existing sail drive leg and the gearhead output. With a little of laser cut and DIY, you will get your way

Two improvements from my conversion would be:

-Regeneration at common and comfortable cruising sailing  speed.

-Wireless controller for the electric motor in marina, anchoring, sail handling…

Don't use any German product if you don't want to speak German, if you don't want an Hitlerian cross on your boat or if you want to use your boat.

I hope those few words will help. Have fun.  Good luck


On Thursday, June 7, 2018, 4:56:08 AM GMT+12, mike@electricyachtssocal.com [electricboats] <electricboats@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I believe that the Lagoon 410 has Yanmar saildrives.  My recommendation would be to replace both the motor and saildrive as the most prudent way to go. Yanmar saildrives from that era are known to have issues.  You would be well served with two 20kW electric motors to replace the 35-40hp diesels originally installed by the builder.  They would also be well matched with a single 10 to 15kW generator that would provide range extension, reduce battery weight, and support reasonable cruising speed.

I am not fully up to date on all saildrive options, but would think you should look at these vendors: Electric Yacht, OceanVolt, and Torqeedo for marine grade systems.  There may be others that I am not aware of. 

Mike
Electric Yacht Pacific

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Re: [Electric Boats] Project lagoon 410

 

Higher voltage is better.
More modern controllers are better.

More energy dense motive battery cells/modules are better.

Everything depends and "better" is relative.

On 06/06/2018 03:22, squalmail@gmail.com [electricboats] wrote:
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> Hello
>
>
> I would to change my olds yanmar 3GM30 (27hp) on my catamaran lagoon
> 410 (1998) by electric solution.
>
> Who can help me to find the best and inexpensive solution, please.
>
> Best regards
>
> Pascal Morin
> Guadeloupe
>

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-hanermo (cnc designs)

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Thursday, June 7, 2018

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Project lagoon 410

 

Hi
Thank you. Sorry I have lot of questions.
What's the power of your electrics motors and how many amp in your battery bank?
How many time in motor sailing mode
Do you Regen when wind sailing?

Best regards
Pascal

Cordialement
Pascal et Emilie
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Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Project lagoon 410
 
 

Pascal,
My Farrier F-41 has Sillette sail drives, which were fitted to Electric Yacht 48v. systems.
I use Thundersky lithium batteries, and have no battery balancing system. Monitoring only. We just check individual module voltage occasionally.
Check out the 'Lithium batteries for use in house banks' on Cruisers Forum for the care and feeding of a Lithium bank.
Very happy with performance. We use Kiwi feathering props.
System is light weight and simple.
Bon chance.
Graham

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