Tuesday, March 4, 2014

Re: [Electric Boats] RE: CVT Transmission

 

Oh, and if multi-speed was valuable, then a lot of boats in the marina have two-speed trannies. 


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Re: [Electric Boats] RE: CVT Transmission

 

Jason, I'm not saying they don't exist in vehicles, but let's face it, for boats, they are less than rare. You are talking about <1% of boats on the water. Go to any marina and almost all, if not all, of the ICE powered vessels will be coupled from ICE to the prop via a straight shaft. If there is a transmission, it is only for F/N/R.

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Monday, March 3, 2014

Re: [Electric Boats] RE: CVT Transmission

 

You do see it. Every power-split hybrid drive does exactly that. ICE drives one gear, electric motor another and then the output shaft on the third. 

/Jason

On Mar 3, 2014, at 19:48, danbollinger <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jason, Your sun gear idea is certainly novel. And, I think its drawbacks would override any benefits. For instance, if this is so good, then why don't we see ICE engines attached to one? And, you'd need a heavy gearcase filled with oil. Plus, electric motors can be quickly reversed. Finally, most electric motors can exceed their nameplate speed for some amount of time. 

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Jason, Your sun gear idea is certainly novel. And, I think its drawbacks would override any benefits. For instance, if this is so good, then why don't we see ICE engines attached to one? And, you'd need a heavy gearcase filled with oil. Plus, electric motors can be quickly reversed. Finally, most electric motors can exceed their nameplate speed for some amount of time. 

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[Electric Boats] RE: CVT Transmission

 

Agreed that it isn't needed. And doubly so since prime movers for boats tend to operate in a narrower speed range than road vehicles. My proof? If variable gearing was an advantage, you'd see ICE powerboats with 2-or 3-speed transmissions.





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Sunday, March 2, 2014

Re: [Electric Boats] CVT Transmission

 

Personally, I would love to see a CVT that consists of two electric motors driving the sun and planer carrier of a planetary gear set. Output would be on the ring gear. This set up would be an infinitely variable transmission since it could transition continuously from full forward to full reverse and provide full torque at zero rpm without either drive motor being stopped. It can also increase the output shaft speed beyond that of the motors. So really, this kind of IVT is extremely versatile.

I believe Dave Tether had/has something like this in his Electric Wheel. I just wish they were on the more affordable end of the spectrum. 

/Jason

On Mar 2, 2014, at 16:39, matt elder <mattelderca@yahoo.ca> wrote:

 

Was just gonna say!
With the right gearing/belt drive there is no need for torque multiplication.
An electric motor will give you the flattest torque curve.
Basically max torque from 0 rpm, all the way to max rpm.
The cvt allowes the motor the rev out to max. torque and stay there.
No rpm change of motor but varying prop speed.
With electric you don't need to do that!

 
mattelderca


On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:06:02 PM, Robert Lemke <robert-lemke@att.net> wrote:
 
With all the torque available at any RPM for an electric motor, unlike a ICE, a continuously variable transmission just isn't needed.  

Bob 


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has anyone thought of using a CVT for propulsion?
It would be interesting to hear the potential benefits and disadvantages from some of our more experienced members






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Re: [Electric Boats] CVT Transmission

 

Was just gonna say!
With the right gearing/belt drive there is no need for torque multiplication.
An electric motor will give you the flattest torque curve.
Basically max torque from 0 rpm, all the way to max rpm.
The cvt allowes the motor the rev out to max. torque and stay there.
No rpm change of motor but varying prop speed.
With electric you don't need to do that!

 
mattelderca


On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:06:02 PM, Robert Lemke <robert-lemke@att.net> wrote:
 
With all the torque available at any RPM for an electric motor, unlike a ICE, a continuously variable transmission just isn't needed.  

Bob 


From: "wewhite74@gmail.com" <wewhite74@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:49 AM
Subject: [Electric Boats] CVT Transmission



has anyone thought of using a CVT for propulsion?
It would be interesting to hear the potential benefits and disadvantages from some of our more experienced members






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