Thursday, June 3, 2010

Re: [Electric Boats] 21' launch performance data

 

Tom, You've got a beautiful boat there.  That is the third Zimmer Launch to go electric that I know of.   Lots of load carrying capacity in a 21' boat.  Isn't cruising along in silence great?
 
Denny
 
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From: Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: [Electric Boats] 21' launch performance data

 

We have posted power vs. speed data for our new electric launch on our website: http://www.grapeviewpointboatworks.com/chart.html

We'll add information about range vs. speed after we cycle the battery bank a bit more. This is a start.

As might be expected, although hull speed (6 kts) takes about 2800W,
75% of hull speed takes 25% of that power, and 50% of hull speed takes only 10% of 2800W.

-Tom

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Wednesday, June 2, 2010

[Electric Boats] 21' launch performance data

 

We have posted power vs. speed data for our new electric launch on our website: http://www.grapeviewpointboatworks.com/chart.html

We'll add information about range vs. speed after we cycle the battery bank a bit more. This is a start.

As might be expected, although hull speed (6 kts) takes about 2800W,
75% of hull speed takes 25% of that power, and 50% of hull speed takes only 10% of 2800W.

-Tom

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[Electric Boats] Re: On-line education?

 



>I have read have gotten me a start but come up short in helping me >gain the knowledge that I want to have as a DIY'er.

A file posted on this group site, "Building a Javelin Electric" in both POWERPOINT and PDF type files is available. This is not really a training course, but it shows the building of a simple, inexpensive, and reliable electric boat, with multi-speed electric wiring diagram, etc.

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[Electric Boats] Spincraft Silent 1 for sale

 

Am thinking of selling my 2006 Spincraft Silent 1. It's the basic model--no fancy woodwork. Same colors, trim, etc., as in picture at http://www.spincraftboats.com/. I bought it new. Have a trailer for it and a guy that will deliver it fairly cheap. I've added a surrey top and another battery--for the bilge pump. There's an OK cockpit cover. The boat's a little big for where we have it--a lake in upstate NY--and we have a smaller homebuilt one we put on the hard when we got this one.

If you or someone you know are interested, eMail me at sweeton@fastmail.fm.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2010

[Electric Boats] New Boat Purchase - Have Questions

 

I just purchased a 2007 Bayliner 206br. It has 10 hours on it and is in amazing condition. I drive a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander and it can handle towing up to 3500 LBS which is just under the total weight of boat+trailer. Any advice?

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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Dufour 34 conversion, first sea trial

 

Mark, it is a separate Kelly meter, it reads directly from the Controller.  I have to check if it is a wiring problem or a defective meter.  I guess I'll soon be buying the PakTrakr meter for redundancy.

Some updates: I've contacted Mars about the motor temperature and these are excerpts from their prompt response (the belt part is regarding one of my questions):

The ME0709 is a Brush-Type dc motor.  It is capable of 100 amps DC continuous, 300 amps for 1 minute.  At 72 VDC, you will be getting 7.2 KW input, or about 8.2 hp output.  The motor is qualified at 100 amps continuous for 1500 hours of use.  The Brush Holder can be changed very easily without dismounting the motor from the application.

Please note that our motors have winding insulation that is rated for 300 degrees F continuous.  If you were touching the motor case, and you can hold your hand on it for longer than 3 seconds, it is below 140 F.  The motor case temperature can get to 200 F before the windings are close to 300 F.  Heat in the windings due to the winding resistance is the major factor in the motor losses.  A tight belt may contribute some heat due to friction in the bearings, but you would see the grease from the bearings coming out if this was a problem.  We use high-temperature grease in the bearings (180 F).

[the ME0709] has the same insulation rating of 300 F continuous.  A temperature of 200 F on the motor case is acceptable.  If the motor gets that hot, then I would recommend a guard on over the motor case to prevent a burn from an intermittent touch.

I should highlight that through the whole design and implementation process I was in regular contact with Kelly's tech support and they have been extremely responsive, taking the time to thoroughly discuss options, and revise my wiring diagrams and proposed throttle/reverse controls.  This was great as their technical docs are on the "light"side, but I could always count on their response and clarifications.

Finally, for the benefit of those implementing systems, two "pearls" I've found on the Internet (I have no relation to them):

1. http://www.batteryservice.com, by far the best pricing for the AGM batteries I was looking for (unfortunately I found them too late in the process and could not arrange for a timely delivery)

2. http://www.vteworld.com/, a great selection of battery terminal covers (they sale retail through a subsidiary)

Alberto






On 6/1/2010 2:53 PM, acsarfkram wrote:
 


Hi Alberto

Those are some nice numbers, especially with the fouled bottom!

Are you using the PakTrakr amp meter or a separate meter?

Mark
Santa Cruz

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[Electric Boats] SolidNav on ebay

 

I think I posted this link to a damaged SolidNav Explorer unit before; http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SolidNav-Explorer-Electric-Propulsion-Motor-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20af542595QQitemZ140380480917QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

I contacted the business to find out what the damage looked like and they said they sold the damaged unit, but they would sell a new undamaged unit for the same price. This is a really good price for a quality unit. I have no idea how reliable they (Trans Pacific Distributors) are but I thought I would let people here know what I found. I have no interest in this company just spreading the word :-).

Mark
Santa Cruz

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