Hi,
Are you looking strictly from the electric propulsion side or total energy budget for expected use? If you're looking at the total energy side, you need to sit down with the owner and evaluate their current and expected electricity usage patterns and work backwards to calculate expected capacity and charging requirements for both their daily use systems and the propulsion system.
I'm going to assume you've never looked at power issues on a sailboat before. If so, I strongly recommend you pick up a basic book on marine electrical systems. Don Casey has a good one I use targeted at non-engineers. That will give you a good feel for working out how much battery and charging capacity you'll need in addition to the needs of electrical propulsion.
Let's just say I'd love to read an honest blog of this process and see the results (and costs). I've never seen a sailboat festooned in solar panels and wind generators from deck to masthead before. :) Nor have I seen batteries and its associated equipment on such a boat cost a significant fraction of its $350K standalone price tag.
In answer to your question, the sailor can stand in the place under the boom. Or not. All depends on the sailor. If their running rigging is routed to the cockpit, they are less likely to need to step there on a regular basis. The panel will also be in shadow there a lot of the time so that will affect its performance. I'd move the panel to get it out from underfoot but let individual desires determine whether it is a good place to put a panel.
I'm sure you can get variable pitch props. All depends on how much you want to spend to have them fitted. It sounds like money is no object here so why not dispense with a conventional shaft and have a custom azipod fitted instead?
Seriously, this process is going to depend on strong honesty regarding expected usage. It's one thing to have a "green" sailboat that motors out a mile from harbor and does a day or two worth of sailing with a radio, nav lights, GPS and cabin lights and a few instruments and then motors a mile back in versus a boat planning any kind of extended period of time away (a week or more) from dock depending solely on non-engine sources to recharge the batteries. The former many of us can do with careful planning and power management. The latter will lower the boat's waterline several inches and likely still not meet the stated goals without serious sacrifices in expected lifestyle.
Good luck. When I did a similar calculation exercise for my Catalina 27 as a weekender with minimal equipment, the cost of the batteries and systems nearly matched the cost of the boat itself.
Matt
SV Ruff Heeler
Mayo, MD
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
Re: [Electric Boats] average energy consumption per day of a 44foot sailboat?
Re: [Electric Boats] Re: boat designs
Matt
there is a huge market for displacement cruisers, mostly for people planning/taking long distance trips without sail that desire economy and reliability. The styles are almost endless with tugs, trawlers and a host of others used as the base style. I guess not everyone has to compensate for their personal deficiencies with massive fuel guzzling engine configurations.
Cheers
Geoff Williams
Brisbane Qld
On 4/05/2010 9:11 AM, Matthew Geier wrote:
I wonder about these <http://www.rangertugs.com >.
I was surprised recently to see some one promoting these at the Sydney
'Royal Easter Show'. What , some one promoting a displacement hull boat
?. I nearly fell over.
The boating market is so focused on speed and even more speed, that I
was most surprised to see some one promoting a 'slow' boat.
[Electric Boats] Re: Bermuda 30 conversion
Keith,
Can you give some examples or dimensions of the batteries that you are suggesting? All of the 220Ah AGM batteries that I am familiar with are still about 3/4 of a cubic foot, regardless of the shape. Finding a rectangular space that size can be a challenge. Additionally, an 8kWh battery bank with only 5.5kWh usable is fairly small for a 30' sailboat.
Thanks,
Eric
Marina del Rey, CA
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>
> Telecom AGM batteries are a very different form factor and can be in any position. If you can get away with 36V then finding a spot for 3 big 220AH batteries might not be so hard.
>
> -Keith
>
> --- In electricboats@
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > I'll keep that in mind, but it's my friend's boat.
> >
> > My boat is a 1972 Pearson 30. The P30 has an encapsulated, fin keel and a bilge that is about 6" deep at it's deepest...
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
[Electric Boats] Re: Bermuda 30 conversion
Telecom AGM batteries are a very different form factor and can be in any position. If you can get away with 36V then finding a spot for 3 big 220AH batteries might not be so hard.
-Keith
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>
> Eric,
>
> I'll keep that in mind, but it's my friend's boat.
>
> My boat is a 1972 Pearson 30. The P30 has an encapsulated, fin keel and a bilge that is about 6" deep at it's deepest. The only places I can put things on my boat is where the engine and tank are located. Do to this, and some other issues I don't want to get into right now, I may never do this conversion in my boat.
>
> ------------
> | Jeff Griglack "Blithe Spirit" P-30 #182
> ------------
> | "Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent"
> | - Walt Kelly
> ------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Eric <ewdysar@...
> > To: electricboats@
> > Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 3:02:22 PM
> > Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Bermuda 30 conversion
> >
> > Jeff,
>
> I'm still in the process of removing stuff and prepping the engine
> > area for the install. I'm taking pictures as I go and will be adding a
> > folder to this group for some of the pics as I get further along. The B-30
> > can be a little deceptive, the bilge seems deep, but it is very narrow, in fact
> > the entire lower hull is more slender than modern boats. As a result,
> > finding low places for batteries is a challenge.
>
> One excercise worth
> > doing is taking your current house battery and seeing how it fits in various
> > places around your boat. You'll get a new appreciation about how large
> > group 27 or 31 battery is, and the funny shapes of cabinets and other hidden
> > areas on your boat.
>
> Fair winds,
> Eric
> 1964 Cheoy Lee Bemuda 30,
> > Serenity
> Marina del Rey, CA
>
>
> --- In
> > ymailto="mailto:electricboats@
> > href="mailto:electricboats@
> > Jeffrey Griglack <griglack@> wrote:
> >
> > Do you have,
> > or can you take, some pictures of the conversion? A friend of mine has a
> > Cheoy Lee B-30 in RI, and I would be interested in showing some pictures to
> > him. His boat is a little heavy for the size, but at least that boat has a
> > nice, big bilge for the
> > batteries.
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[Electric Boats] average energy consumption per day of a 44foot sailboat?
Hi,
I'm an electrical engineer who specializes in electric vehicle designs. I was asked by a boat owner who wants to convert his 2007 Bavaria Vision 44 into electric powered with no compromise. He is willing to go for the latest lithium, solar, and wind technology. He basically want this boat to be 100% green with not a single drop of fossil fuel needed.
I am fairly knowledgeable with electric vehicles, but I am very new to boating. What is the average energy consumption per day needed for a 44foot sailboat? eg. It has a 210L diesel fuel tank. how long does the 210L diesel fuel last usually? What is the energy needed to propel it to a reasonable speed?
the area under the main sail in the middle of the boat, can solar panels go there or does the sailor needs to stand on that part?
are there controllable pitch propellers for boats this size?
Thanks
Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Bermuda 30 conversion
Eric,
I'll keep that in mind, but it's my friend's boat.
My boat is a 1972 Pearson 30. The P30 has an encapsulated, fin keel and a bilge that is about 6" deep at it's deepest. The only places I can put things on my boat is where the engine and tank are located. Do to this, and some other issues I don't want to get into right now, I may never do this conversion in my boat.
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| Jeff Griglack "Blithe Spirit" P-30 #182
------------
| "Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent"
| - Walt Kelly
------------
----- Original Message ----
> From: Eric <ewdysar@yahoo.
> To: electricboats@
> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 3:02:22 PM
> Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Bermuda 30 conversion
>
> Jeff,
I'm still in the process of removing stuff and prepping the engine
> area for the install. I'm taking pictures as I go and will be adding a
> folder to this group for some of the pics as I get further along. The B-30
> can be a little deceptive, the bilge seems deep, but it is very narrow, in fact
> the entire lower hull is more slender than modern boats. As a result,
> finding low places for batteries is a challenge.
One excercise worth
> doing is taking your current house battery and seeing how it fits in various
> places around your boat. You'll get a new appreciation about how large
> group 27 or 31 battery is, and the funny shapes of cabinets and other hidden
> areas on your boat.
Fair winds,
Eric
1964 Cheoy Lee Bemuda 30,
> Serenity
Marina del Rey, CA
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> ymailto="mailto:electricboats@
> href="mailto:electricboats@
> Jeffrey Griglack <griglack@..
>
> Do you have,
> or can you take, some pictures of the conversion? A friend of mine has a
> Cheoy Lee B-30 in RI, and I would be interested in showing some pictures to
> him. His boat is a little heavy for the size, but at least that boat has a
> nice, big bilge for the
> batteries.
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[Electric Boats] Re: Bermuda 30 conversion
Jeff,
I'm still in the process of removing stuff and prepping the engine area for the install. I'm taking pictures as I go and will be adding a folder to this group for some of the pics as I get further along. The B-30 can be a little deceptive, the bilge seems deep, but it is very narrow, in fact the entire lower hull is more slender than modern boats. As a result, finding low places for batteries is a challenge.
One excercise worth doing is taking your current house battery and seeing how it fits in various places around your boat. You'll get a new appreciation about how large group 27 or 31 battery is, and the funny shapes of cabinets and other hidden areas on your boat.
Fair winds,
Eric
1964 Cheoy Lee Bemuda 30, Serenity
Marina del Rey, CA
--- In electricboats@
>
> Do you have, or can you take, some pictures of the conversion? A friend of mine has a Cheoy Lee B-30 in RI, and I would be interested in showing some pictures to him. His boat is a little heavy for the size, but at least that boat has a nice, big bilge for the batteries.