Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

I will second, third, or fourth it !  A good customer is a happy customer.
 
Don Swanson
 
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:16:16 -0500 Jason Taylor <jt.yahoo@jtaylor.ca> writes:
 

I would go one step further. Email their sales/marketing people with a
link to this thread and mentioning the number of people that are not
going to consider Kipawa propellers *because* of that business
attitude. Someone somewhere within their organization should know that
refusal to provide real specs is costing them money and/or opportunity.
Count me in the "not in a million years" camp.

A satisfied customer will tell 10 people.
A dissatisfied customer will tell 100.

/Jason.

bosunj.rm wrote:
> Interesting that corporations have trained some so well that they don't automatically reject a company that won't give them the info they need to make an informed decision. Any company that acts like this doesn't deserve my money. Thank you for the heads up. I'll add them to the growing list of mostly Duhmerican't companies I won't do business with.
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "marka97203" <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
>> I've got a Kipawa 314 they sent for an E-30. It's 10" diameter. From
>> root to tip is 2.5 inches. The blades are not twisted very strongly.
>>
>> Does that make pitch the sum of the three blades, or 7.5?
>>
>>
>> For my own 650 pound all up 16 footer, the Kipawa prop did make a modest speed
>> improvement - but nothing like the 30% better range Denny Wolfe reports.
>> For that I had to add another battery.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/09, gregory_west2001 <greg@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone
>>> know the pitch of the Kipawa props? If so, and assuming Kipara did not have
>>> you sign a nondisclosure agreement as a condition of the purchase, would you
>>> let me know the pitch? Thank you.
>>>
>> ;
>>
>>> "If your just looking for speed our props on average show a 10 - 15%
>>> increase of speed over the standard Minn Kota Propeller."
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

 


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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

I badly needed a higher pitched prop and Kipawa was the only one I could find. so I ordered one and it was an improvement. But I hate their  attitude and Minn Kota'sand I dont understand it. In general I also avoid those nontechnical salesrepresentative way of trying to persuade customers. We are no dummies.
 
Electric boating is all about finetuning your drivetrain to the optimum performance of your specific boat and the prop is very basic to that.
There MUST be a huge aftermarket for all kinds an sizes of props.
But there only can be when you are very open about your product.
 
Carel.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

I would go one step further. Email their sales/marketing people with a
link to this thread and mentioning the number of people that are not
going to consider Kipawa propellers *because* of that business
attitude. Someone somewhere within their organization should know that
refusal to provide real specs is costing them money and/or opportunity.
Count me in the "not in a million years" camp.

A satisfied customer will tell 10 people.
A dissatisfied customer will tell 100.

/Jason.

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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

I badly needed a higher pitched prop and Kipawa was the only one I could find. so I ordered one and it was an improvement. But I hate their  attitude and Minn Kota'sand I dont understand it. In general I also avoid those nontechnical salesrepresentative way of trying to persuade customers. We are no dummies.
 
Electric boating is all about finetuning your drivetrain to the optimum performance of your specific boat and the prop is very basic to that.
There MUST be a huge aftermarket for all kinds an sizes of props.
But there only can be when you are very open about your product.
 
Carel.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

I would go one step further. Email their sales/marketing people with a
link to this thread and mentioning the number of people that are not
going to consider Kipawa propellers *because* of that business
attitude. Someone somewhere within their organization should know that
refusal to provide real specs is costing them money and/or opportunity.
Count me in the "not in a million years" camp.

A satisfied customer will tell 10 people.
A dissatisfied customer will tell 100.

/Jason.

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Re: [Electric Boats] Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

A great tip. Will follow it in spring.
 
Had the same experience with Minn Kota and Kipawa. I have a Minn Kota Maxxum 55 and neded a higher pitch prop for my very light boat. But both treated diameter and pitch as top secret as I were a spy for Rusia or China. There are more american companies following that same policy. I believe they think their stuff is "plug and play" and (in their opinion) being the best there is they only tell you what they think is "need to know. ie trust me I know what I am doing and you dont have to know.
That is not the way to treat an educated customer.
 
I measured to the best of my abilities the
Minn Kota maxxum 55 weedless Wedge prop as 11"x3" . 2 bladed,
Kipaea 358 as 10"x4,5" . 3 bladed
By eyeball the surface of both is about the same size.
 
I noticed an increase of speed with the Kipawa, but not 50% It was a bit like the 10 or 15 % they predicted.
 
Torqueedo is very open about there high end proppellors;
Ultra light nr 1912 is 8"x8" . 2 bladed
Travel/Base/Cruise nr 1901 is 12"x10" . 3 bladed
There price is around 100 euro's so I will try modelairplaneprops first (with a spinner).
 
Carel.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Gow
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Electric Boats] Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

From: dennis wolfe


Use an APC model airplane prop.

[Bill Gow] That's an interesting idea!

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Re: [Electric Boats] Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

A great tip. Will follow it in spring.
 
Had the same experience with Minn Kota and Kipawa. I have a Minn Kota Maxxum 55 and neded a higher pitch prop for my very light boat. But both treated diameter and pitch as top secret as I were a spy for Rusia or China. There are more american companies following that same policy. I believe they think their stuff is "plug and play" and (in their opinion) being the best there is they only tell you what they think is "need to know. ie trust me I know what I am doing and you dont have to know.
That is not the way to treat an educated customer.
 
I measured to the best of my abilities the
Minn Kota maxxum 55 weedless Wedge prop as 11"x3" . 2 bladed,
Kipaea 358 as 10"x4,5" . 3 bladed
By eyeball the surface of both is about the same size.
 
I noticed an increase of speed with the Kipawa, but not 50% It was a bit like the 10 or 15 % they predicted.
 
Torqueedo is very open about there high end proppellors;
Ultra light nr 1912 is 8"x8" . 2 bladed
Travel/Base/Cruise nr 1901 is 12"x10" . 3 bladed
There price is around 100 euro's so I will try modelairplaneprops first (with a spinner).
 
Carel.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Gow
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Electric Boats] Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

From: dennis wolfe


Use an APC model airplane prop.

[Bill Gow] That's an interesting idea!

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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 

I would go one step further. Email their sales/marketing people with a
link to this thread and mentioning the number of people that are not
going to consider Kipawa propellers *because* of that business
attitude. Someone somewhere within their organization should know that
refusal to provide real specs is costing them money and/or opportunity.
Count me in the "not in a million years" camp.

A satisfied customer will tell 10 people.
A dissatisfied customer will tell 100.

/Jason.

bosunj.rm wrote:
> Interesting that corporations have trained some so well that they don't automatically reject a company that won't give them the info they need to make an informed decision. Any company that acts like this doesn't deserve my money. Thank you for the heads up. I'll add them to the growing list of mostly Duhmerican't companies I won't do business with.
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "marka97203" <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
>> I've got a Kipawa 314 they sent for an E-30. It's 10" diameter. From
>> root to tip is 2.5 inches. The blades are not twisted very strongly.
>>
>> Does that make pitch the sum of the three blades, or 7.5?
>>
>>
>> For my own 650 pound all up 16 footer, the Kipawa prop did make a modest speed
>> improvement - but nothing like the 30% better range Denny Wolfe reports.
>> For that I had to add another battery.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/09, gregory_west2001 <greg@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone
>>> know the pitch of the Kipawa props? If so, and assuming Kipara did not have
>>> you sign a nondisclosure agreement as a condition of the purchase, would you
>>> let me know the pitch? Thank you.
>>>
>> ;
>>
>>> "If your just looking for speed our props on average show a 10 - 15%
>>> increase of speed over the standard Minn Kota Propeller."
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Electric Boats] Pitch of Kipawa Propeller

 



--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Gow" <billgow@...> wrote:
>
> From: dennis wolfe
>
>
> Use an APC model airplane prop.
>
> [Bill Gow] That's an interesting idea!
>

hi to all, I need propeller drawing ( in dwg or similar Cad format); I want make custom plastic propeller on CNC milling machine from PVC or PP. I need suitable propeller for light canoe, trolling motor ~ 180W - 250W; I prefer diameter ~6", 3wing and pitch ~5". I can scale propeller diameter end extension or compress pitch, but I can't change form of wing. I find simply 3 wing propeller drawing, but I need high efficiency form, using by electric trolling motors.
regards

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