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Motor Voltage Max Speed Max Power
Torqeedo 2T 24V 4.8Kn 1200W** (Motor testing limited at 1200W due to battery limits)
About $4000, rated at 2400W
Hangkai 48V 3.8Kn 1000W About $330, Rated 1000W - VERY Noisy
Minn-Kota 35# 12V 2.3Kn 410W
Newport 55# 12V 3Kn 550W About $200, Rated 50A@12V
Summary thoughts:
For speed and power, the Torqueedo 2T was clearly on top. Unfortunately, the 24V Torqeedo is about $4000+. Finding 24V batteries that fit in a standard battery box is a bit of a challenge, but do-able. Currently, they are running about $300 for a 60Ah battery. Torqeedo offers other smaller motors with integrated batteries - but they are still have about a $2000-3000 price tag, and spare batteries are VERY expensive.
The Hangkai is a VERY cost effective answer for a 48V outboard electrict motor. However, this motor has a VERY touchy throttle, is extremely noisy, and didn't perform significantly better than the 55# Newport trolling motor.
On Apr 19, 2024, at 5:56 PM, shredderf16 <Shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John and Steve,
It'll be interesting to be sure. One of the many reasons I'm building the dinghy is that after 20 years of owning and riding around in RIBs someone always gets a wet butt, usually my princess. And one time I spun a prop bushing in St Lucia and had to row back against a 20 knot wind alone. Great motivator was next stop downwind was Venezuela. Only reason I didn't give up and swim back. Last thing is that in St Thomas at least these things are the equivalent of the plastic shopping bags blowing around. After arriving here they end up in the hands of less than responsible people. Tube leaks and it ends up in the mangroves. On our island in St Thomas harbor (500 acres) we've disposed of 20-30 of these dinghies in last 2 years.
The mission is to go 1.5 nm to St Thomas and back. I'd like to go at least 10 knots against the wind so will experiment with various motors to get that. If it gets too hard then I'll get a Yamaha 9 and give up. I've seen most of the available motors and am not excited about any of them. I might end up making my own.
Jerry
On April 19, 2024, at 3:17 PM, "steve sawtelle via groups.io" <swsyah=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the epropulsion equivalent to the torgueedo on my Pocketship and a small pontoon boat and it's great on both. However I saw a youtube video where they were running the epropulsion on a small RIB and they reported terrible performance. Evidently a RIB not on plane is really, really, inefficient.-SteveOn Apr 19, 2024, at 3:14 PM, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Jerry,FWIW:I've tested my 10' West Marine RIB dinghy with both a 24V Torqeedo T2 and a Hangkai 48V 1200W electric outboard. Both of these are rated at approximately 4hp equivalent(?).My experience was that the Torqeedo (with a MUCH bigger prop) seemed to have quite a bit more power. At about 1200 watts, my top speed was about 4.8 knots.On the Hangkai, WOT (wide open throttle) at around 1000W only got me to 3.4 knots.Your mileage may vary. And a cat is very different from a RIB, and this was with two adults in the boat.However, it was CLEAR - that neither of these motors would EVER get the dinghy up on plane.The small electric outboards are fine to get you from your main boat to (a nearby) shore. But you will do it at a very casual pace (crawl?). It's a whole lot better than rowing. But you aren't going anywhere fast, and you really need to pay attention to your battery, as no one seems to enjoy rowing RIB's... Then again, my dinghy is for a trawler that does about 8-9 knots WOT - so a 3 or 4 knot dinghy ride in to shore might be a reasonable fit for life in the slow lane. :)JohnJohnOn Friday, April 19, 2024 at 09:20:34 AM CDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:John,
I'm building a 12 foot cat dinghy out of foam and glass. About 120 lbs. I also have the Hang Kai 1.2. Hopefully will have the boat running by end of summer.
I'm probably going to go with a small server rack lifepo4 that weighs about 40 lbs so I can carry it home to charge. The prices are getting better so waiting until end to buy it.
The 10 foot version of my dinghy would plane at 14 knots with one guy on a 3 hp gas honda. So I asked my Aussie propeller expert to look at the Hang Kai. He thinks we'll get at least 10 knots. So I'll give it a shot. If it looks promising I might get another and gang them together. Would also be good for redundancy.
We discussed the prop. The motor is geared one to one, so the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm or so. That's why it's small. Depending on how things go I've got an idea of an adapter to gear it down and fit a bigger prop.
Keep posting. I'll let you know how it goes when we get the thing in the water.
Jerry Barth
On April 18, 2024, at 10:03 PM, "john via groups.io" <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Revisiting this question:I'm using an electric motor and battery for my dinghy.I've used Anderson connectors (100A and 50A) - and they're fine electrically.But the 50A blue Anderson connectors corrode horribly in the salt environment.I've seen XT60 and XT90 connectors, and think I've heard of people using those for solar connections (as well as being used in RC stuff).Would XT60 connectors do better in a salt environment than Anderson connectors?JohnOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:00:35 AM CDT, Matt Foley <matt@sunlightconversions.com> wrote:Hi John,I use 50 amp andersons on my dinghy motor. They do take a beating. I have to clean them every few months. Keep in mind, I get them wet frequently and they have taken more than a few dips in salt water. Salt water corrodes them pretty quick. Ill eventually try another solution.I can't speak for the Hankai specifically, but 800 watt input power should be enough for 4mph with a little margin. Power needed to go faster then 4mph will go up exponentially.Matt FoleySunlight ConversionsPerpetual Energy, LLC201-914-0466ABYC Certified MarineElectrical TechnicianOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:36:47 AM EDT, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:I'm planning to use an electric outboard on the West Marine RIB 310 for my trawler. The dinghy is about 10' long, weighs a little over 100 pounds empty, plus 2-3 "solid sized" adults, plus motor and battery. Current plan is to experiment with a 48V Hangkai electric outboard, powered by a BTR 48V Ebike battery.Question: What connectors are best for using in the marine environment?I have experience with Torqeedos, and they use Anderson Plugs. Is that the best option for being able to quickly plug between the battery and the motor?One thing I want to do is put a small box between the battery and motor. The box will include a battery switch on the positive leg and a Victron battery monitor on the negative leg. While the Torqeedo used Anderson type connectors, I believe 120A type - I'll probably go with 50A Anderson connectors for the Hangkai. This is because both the batteries and the motor use small guage leads - 12GA at most. This is challenging enough to crimp into the pins of the 50A connector (intended for 8ga wire). I have a crimper that I use for most of the large pins and terminal lugs, but have to resort to using a bench vice to crimp the connectors on the small motor and battery leads. I'm planning to use 8 ga wire for the longer runs. The motor is rated at 1000W. I'm assuming I shouldn't be running much over 20A peak, probably more like 800W for typical cruising.The Hangkai is tiny compared to the Torqeedo 2T. But I'm really curious to see how the Hangkai does, and am REALLY hopeful that it works out. At $350, it's less than 1/10th the cost of a Torqeedo. The Ebike 48V batteries seem to be much better priced and much more available than 24V lithium batteries. My hope is that a 50A Ebike battery will get me at least 2 hours of run time at around 800W on the Hangkai - and I'm REALLY hopeful that 800W will be enough to push the dinghy at least to 3-4mph.I'm looking forward to being able to put some data together to compare the Torqeedo to the Hangkai. I understand that the Hangkai has less than half the power of the Torqeedo (and the prop on the Hangkai also seems tiny compared to the Torqeedo prop) - but if it can honestly put out what it claims to do, I think that'll be sufficient for a small dinghy. Given my battery bank, 800W would be a good burn rate. I know it'll never get me on plane or win any races. But if it gets me from the boat to the beach, and lets me toodle around a little from time to time, that'll be just fine.John
On Apr 19, 2024, at 5:56 PM, shredderf16 <Shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John and Steve,
It'll be interesting to be sure. One of the many reasons I'm building the dinghy is that after 20 years of owning and riding around in RIBs someone always gets a wet butt, usually my princess. And one time I spun a prop bushing in St Lucia and had to row back against a 20 knot wind alone. Great motivator was next stop downwind was Venezuela. Only reason I didn't give up and swim back. Last thing is that in St Thomas at least these things are the equivalent of the plastic shopping bags blowing around. After arriving here they end up in the hands of less than responsible people. Tube leaks and it ends up in the mangroves. On our island in St Thomas harbor (500 acres) we've disposed of 20-30 of these dinghies in last 2 years.
The mission is to go 1.5 nm to St Thomas and back. I'd like to go at least 10 knots against the wind so will experiment with various motors to get that. If it gets too hard then I'll get a Yamaha 9 and give up. I've seen most of the available motors and am not excited about any of them. I might end up making my own.
Jerry
On April 19, 2024, at 3:17 PM, "steve sawtelle via groups.io" <swsyah=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the epropulsion equivalent to the torgueedo on my Pocketship and a small pontoon boat and it's great on both. However I saw a youtube video where they were running the epropulsion on a small RIB and they reported terrible performance. Evidently a RIB not on plane is really, really, inefficient.-SteveOn Apr 19, 2024, at 3:14 PM, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Jerry,FWIW:I've tested my 10' West Marine RIB dinghy with both a 24V Torqeedo T2 and a Hangkai 48V 1200W electric outboard. Both of these are rated at approximately 4hp equivalent(?).My experience was that the Torqeedo (with a MUCH bigger prop) seemed to have quite a bit more power. At about 1200 watts, my top speed was about 4.8 knots.On the Hangkai, WOT (wide open throttle) at around 1000W only got me to 3.4 knots.Your mileage may vary. And a cat is very different from a RIB, and this was with two adults in the boat.However, it was CLEAR - that neither of these motors would EVER get the dinghy up on plane.The small electric outboards are fine to get you from your main boat to (a nearby) shore. But you will do it at a very casual pace (crawl?). It's a whole lot better than rowing. But you aren't going anywhere fast, and you really need to pay attention to your battery, as no one seems to enjoy rowing RIB's... Then again, my dinghy is for a trawler that does about 8-9 knots WOT - so a 3 or 4 knot dinghy ride in to shore might be a reasonable fit for life in the slow lane. :)JohnJohnOn Friday, April 19, 2024 at 09:20:34 AM CDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:John,
I'm building a 12 foot cat dinghy out of foam and glass. About 120 lbs. I also have the Hang Kai 1.2. Hopefully will have the boat running by end of summer.
I'm probably going to go with a small server rack lifepo4 that weighs about 40 lbs so I can carry it home to charge. The prices are getting better so waiting until end to buy it.
The 10 foot version of my dinghy would plane at 14 knots with one guy on a 3 hp gas honda. So I asked my Aussie propeller expert to look at the Hang Kai. He thinks we'll get at least 10 knots. So I'll give it a shot. If it looks promising I might get another and gang them together. Would also be good for redundancy.
We discussed the prop. The motor is geared one to one, so the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm or so. That's why it's small. Depending on how things go I've got an idea of an adapter to gear it down and fit a bigger prop.
Keep posting. I'll let you know how it goes when we get the thing in the water.
Jerry Barth
On April 18, 2024, at 10:03 PM, "john via groups.io" <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Revisiting this question:I'm using an electric motor and battery for my dinghy.I've used Anderson connectors (100A and 50A) - and they're fine electrically.But the 50A blue Anderson connectors corrode horribly in the salt environment.I've seen XT60 and XT90 connectors, and think I've heard of people using those for solar connections (as well as being used in RC stuff).Would XT60 connectors do better in a salt environment than Anderson connectors?JohnOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:00:35 AM CDT, Matt Foley <matt@sunlightconversions.com> wrote:Hi John,I use 50 amp andersons on my dinghy motor. They do take a beating. I have to clean them every few months. Keep in mind, I get them wet frequently and they have taken more than a few dips in salt water. Salt water corrodes them pretty quick. Ill eventually try another solution.I can't speak for the Hankai specifically, but 800 watt input power should be enough for 4mph with a little margin. Power needed to go faster then 4mph will go up exponentially.Matt FoleySunlight ConversionsPerpetual Energy, LLC201-914-0466ABYC Certified MarineElectrical TechnicianOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:36:47 AM EDT, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:I'm planning to use an electric outboard on the West Marine RIB 310 for my trawler. The dinghy is about 10' long, weighs a little over 100 pounds empty, plus 2-3 "solid sized" adults, plus motor and battery. Current plan is to experiment with a 48V Hangkai electric outboard, powered by a BTR 48V Ebike battery.Question: What connectors are best for using in the marine environment?I have experience with Torqeedos, and they use Anderson Plugs. Is that the best option for being able to quickly plug between the battery and the motor?One thing I want to do is put a small box between the battery and motor. The box will include a battery switch on the positive leg and a Victron battery monitor on the negative leg. While the Torqeedo used Anderson type connectors, I believe 120A type - I'll probably go with 50A Anderson connectors for the Hangkai. This is because both the batteries and the motor use small guage leads - 12GA at most. This is challenging enough to crimp into the pins of the 50A connector (intended for 8ga wire). I have a crimper that I use for most of the large pins and terminal lugs, but have to resort to using a bench vice to crimp the connectors on the small motor and battery leads. I'm planning to use 8 ga wire for the longer runs. The motor is rated at 1000W. I'm assuming I shouldn't be running much over 20A peak, probably more like 800W for typical cruising.The Hangkai is tiny compared to the Torqeedo 2T. But I'm really curious to see how the Hangkai does, and am REALLY hopeful that it works out. At $350, it's less than 1/10th the cost of a Torqeedo. The Ebike 48V batteries seem to be much better priced and much more available than 24V lithium batteries. My hope is that a 50A Ebike battery will get me at least 2 hours of run time at around 800W on the Hangkai - and I'm REALLY hopeful that 800W will be enough to push the dinghy at least to 3-4mph.I'm looking forward to being able to put some data together to compare the Torqeedo to the Hangkai. I understand that the Hangkai has less than half the power of the Torqeedo (and the prop on the Hangkai also seems tiny compared to the Torqeedo prop) - but if it can honestly put out what it claims to do, I think that'll be sufficient for a small dinghy. Given my battery bank, 800W would be a good burn rate. I know it'll never get me on plane or win any races. But if it gets me from the boat to the beach, and lets me toodle around a little from time to time, that'll be just fine.John
John,
I'm building a 12 foot cat dinghy out of foam and glass. About 120 lbs. I also have the Hang Kai 1.2. Hopefully will have the boat running by end of summer.
I'm probably going to go with a small server rack lifepo4 that weighs about 40 lbs so I can carry it home to charge. The prices are getting better so waiting until end to buy it.
The 10 foot version of my dinghy would plane at 14 knots with one guy on a 3 hp gas honda. So I asked my Aussie propeller expert to look at the Hang Kai. He thinks we'll get at least 10 knots. So I'll give it a shot. If it looks promising I might get another and gang them together. Would also be good for redundancy.
We discussed the prop. The motor is geared one to one, so the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm or so. That's why it's small. Depending on how things go I've got an idea of an adapter to gear it down and fit a bigger prop.
Keep posting. I'll let you know how it goes when we get the thing in the water.
Jerry Barth
On April 18, 2024, at 10:03 PM, "john via groups.io" <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Revisiting this question:I'm using an electric motor and battery for my dinghy.I've used Anderson connectors (100A and 50A) - and they're fine electrically.But the 50A blue Anderson connectors corrode horribly in the salt environment.I've seen XT60 and XT90 connectors, and think I've heard of people using those for solar connections (as well as being used in RC stuff).Would XT60 connectors do better in a salt environment than Anderson connectors?JohnOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:00:35 AM CDT, Matt Foley <matt@sunlightconversions.com> wrote:Hi John,I use 50 amp andersons on my dinghy motor. They do take a beating. I have to clean them every few months. Keep in mind, I get them wet frequently and they have taken more than a few dips in salt water. Salt water corrodes them pretty quick. Ill eventually try another solution.I can't speak for the Hankai specifically, but 800 watt input power should be enough for 4mph with a little margin. Power needed to go faster then 4mph will go up exponentially.Matt FoleySunlight ConversionsPerpetual Energy, LLC201-914-0466ABYC Certified MarineElectrical TechnicianOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:36:47 AM EDT, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:I'm planning to use an electric outboard on the West Marine RIB 310 for my trawler. The dinghy is about 10' long, weighs a little over 100 pounds empty, plus 2-3 "solid sized" adults, plus motor and battery. Current plan is to experiment with a 48V Hangkai electric outboard, powered by a BTR 48V Ebike battery.Question: What connectors are best for using in the marine environment?I have experience with Torqeedos, and they use Anderson Plugs. Is that the best option for being able to quickly plug between the battery and the motor?One thing I want to do is put a small box between the battery and motor. The box will include a battery switch on the positive leg and a Victron battery monitor on the negative leg. While the Torqeedo used Anderson type connectors, I believe 120A type - I'll probably go with 50A Anderson connectors for the Hangkai. This is because both the batteries and the motor use small guage leads - 12GA at most. This is challenging enough to crimp into the pins of the 50A connector (intended for 8ga wire). I have a crimper that I use for most of the large pins and terminal lugs, but have to resort to using a bench vice to crimp the connectors on the small motor and battery leads. I'm planning to use 8 ga wire for the longer runs. The motor is rated at 1000W. I'm assuming I shouldn't be running much over 20A peak, probably more like 800W for typical cruising.The Hangkai is tiny compared to the Torqeedo 2T. But I'm really curious to see how the Hangkai does, and am REALLY hopeful that it works out. At $350, it's less than 1/10th the cost of a Torqeedo. The Ebike 48V batteries seem to be much better priced and much more available than 24V lithium batteries. My hope is that a 50A Ebike battery will get me at least 2 hours of run time at around 800W on the Hangkai - and I'm REALLY hopeful that 800W will be enough to push the dinghy at least to 3-4mph.I'm looking forward to being able to put some data together to compare the Torqeedo to the Hangkai. I understand that the Hangkai has less than half the power of the Torqeedo (and the prop on the Hangkai also seems tiny compared to the Torqeedo prop) - but if it can honestly put out what it claims to do, I think that'll be sufficient for a small dinghy. Given my battery bank, 800W would be a good burn rate. I know it'll never get me on plane or win any races. But if it gets me from the boat to the beach, and lets me toodle around a little from time to time, that'll be just fine.John
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On Apr 19, 2024, at 5:56 PM, shredderf16 <Shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John and Steve,
It'll be interesting to be sure. One of the many reasons I'm building the dinghy is that after 20 years of owning and riding around in RIBs someone always gets a wet butt, usually my princess. And one time I spun a prop bushing in St Lucia and had to row back against a 20 knot wind alone. Great motivator was next stop downwind was Venezuela. Only reason I didn't give up and swim back. Last thing is that in St Thomas at least these things are the equivalent of the plastic shopping bags blowing around. After arriving here they end up in the hands of less than responsible people. Tube leaks and it ends up in the mangroves. On our island in St Thomas harbor (500 acres) we've disposed of 20-30 of these dinghies in last 2 years.
The mission is to go 1.5 nm to St Thomas and back. I'd like to go at least 10 knots against the wind so will experiment with various motors to get that. If it gets too hard then I'll get a Yamaha 9 and give up. I've seen most of the available motors and am not excited about any of them. I might end up making my own.
Jerry
On April 19, 2024, at 3:17 PM, "steve sawtelle via groups.io" <swsyah=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the epropulsion equivalent to the torgueedo on my Pocketship and a small pontoon boat and it's great on both. However I saw a youtube video where they were running the epropulsion on a small RIB and they reported terrible performance. Evidently a RIB not on plane is really, really, inefficient.-SteveOn Apr 19, 2024, at 3:14 PM, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Jerry,FWIW:I've tested my 10' West Marine RIB dinghy with both a 24V Torqeedo T2 and a Hangkai 48V 1200W electric outboard. Both of these are rated at approximately 4hp equivalent(?).My experience was that the Torqeedo (with a MUCH bigger prop) seemed to have quite a bit more power. At about 1200 watts, my top speed was about 4.8 knots.On the Hangkai, WOT (wide open throttle) at around 1000W only got me to 3.4 knots.Your mileage may vary. And a cat is very different from a RIB, and this was with two adults in the boat.However, it was CLEAR - that neither of these motors would EVER get the dinghy up on plane.The small electric outboards are fine to get you from your main boat to (a nearby) shore. But you will do it at a very casual pace (crawl?). It's a whole lot better than rowing. But you aren't going anywhere fast, and you really need to pay attention to your battery, as no one seems to enjoy rowing RIB's... Then again, my dinghy is for a trawler that does about 8-9 knots WOT - so a 3 or 4 knot dinghy ride in to shore might be a reasonable fit for life in the slow lane. :)JohnJohnOn Friday, April 19, 2024 at 09:20:34 AM CDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:John,
I'm building a 12 foot cat dinghy out of foam and glass. About 120 lbs. I also have the Hang Kai 1.2. Hopefully will have the boat running by end of summer.
I'm probably going to go with a small server rack lifepo4 that weighs about 40 lbs so I can carry it home to charge. The prices are getting better so waiting until end to buy it.
The 10 foot version of my dinghy would plane at 14 knots with one guy on a 3 hp gas honda. So I asked my Aussie propeller expert to look at the Hang Kai. He thinks we'll get at least 10 knots. So I'll give it a shot. If it looks promising I might get another and gang them together. Would also be good for redundancy.
We discussed the prop. The motor is geared one to one, so the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm or so. That's why it's small. Depending on how things go I've got an idea of an adapter to gear it down and fit a bigger prop.
Keep posting. I'll let you know how it goes when we get the thing in the water.
Jerry Barth
On April 18, 2024, at 10:03 PM, "john via groups.io" <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Revisiting this question:I'm using an electric motor and battery for my dinghy.I've used Anderson connectors (100A and 50A) - and they're fine electrically.But the 50A blue Anderson connectors corrode horribly in the salt environment.I've seen XT60 and XT90 connectors, and think I've heard of people using those for solar connections (as well as being used in RC stuff).Would XT60 connectors do better in a salt environment than Anderson connectors?JohnOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:00:35 AM CDT, Matt Foley <matt@sunlightconversions.com> wrote:Hi John,I use 50 amp andersons on my dinghy motor. They do take a beating. I have to clean them every few months. Keep in mind, I get them wet frequently and they have taken more than a few dips in salt water. Salt water corrodes them pretty quick. Ill eventually try another solution.I can't speak for the Hankai specifically, but 800 watt input power should be enough for 4mph with a little margin. Power needed to go faster then 4mph will go up exponentially.Matt FoleySunlight ConversionsPerpetual Energy, LLC201-914-0466ABYC Certified MarineElectrical TechnicianOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:36:47 AM EDT, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:I'm planning to use an electric outboard on the West Marine RIB 310 for my trawler. The dinghy is about 10' long, weighs a little over 100 pounds empty, plus 2-3 "solid sized" adults, plus motor and battery. Current plan is to experiment with a 48V Hangkai electric outboard, powered by a BTR 48V Ebike battery.Question: What connectors are best for using in the marine environment?I have experience with Torqeedos, and they use Anderson Plugs. Is that the best option for being able to quickly plug between the battery and the motor?One thing I want to do is put a small box between the battery and motor. The box will include a battery switch on the positive leg and a Victron battery monitor on the negative leg. While the Torqeedo used Anderson type connectors, I believe 120A type - I'll probably go with 50A Anderson connectors for the Hangkai. This is because both the batteries and the motor use small guage leads - 12GA at most. This is challenging enough to crimp into the pins of the 50A connector (intended for 8ga wire). I have a crimper that I use for most of the large pins and terminal lugs, but have to resort to using a bench vice to crimp the connectors on the small motor and battery leads. I'm planning to use 8 ga wire for the longer runs. The motor is rated at 1000W. I'm assuming I shouldn't be running much over 20A peak, probably more like 800W for typical cruising.The Hangkai is tiny compared to the Torqeedo 2T. But I'm really curious to see how the Hangkai does, and am REALLY hopeful that it works out. At $350, it's less than 1/10th the cost of a Torqeedo. The Ebike 48V batteries seem to be much better priced and much more available than 24V lithium batteries. My hope is that a 50A Ebike battery will get me at least 2 hours of run time at around 800W on the Hangkai - and I'm REALLY hopeful that 800W will be enough to push the dinghy at least to 3-4mph.I'm looking forward to being able to put some data together to compare the Torqeedo to the Hangkai. I understand that the Hangkai has less than half the power of the Torqeedo (and the prop on the Hangkai also seems tiny compared to the Torqeedo prop) - but if it can honestly put out what it claims to do, I think that'll be sufficient for a small dinghy. Given my battery bank, 800W would be a good burn rate. I know it'll never get me on plane or win any races. But if it gets me from the boat to the beach, and lets me toodle around a little from time to time, that'll be just fine.John
On Apr 19, 2024, at 3:14 PM, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Jerry,FWIW:I've tested my 10' West Marine RIB dinghy with both a 24V Torqeedo T2 and a Hangkai 48V 1200W electric outboard. Both of these are rated at approximately 4hp equivalent(?).My experience was that the Torqeedo (with a MUCH bigger prop) seemed to have quite a bit more power. At about 1200 watts, my top speed was about 4.8 knots.On the Hangkai, WOT (wide open throttle) at around 1000W only got me to 3.4 knots.Your mileage may vary. And a cat is very different from a RIB, and this was with two adults in the boat.However, it was CLEAR - that neither of these motors would EVER get the dinghy up on plane.The small electric outboards are fine to get you from your main boat to (a nearby) shore. But you will do it at a very casual pace (crawl?). It's a whole lot better than rowing. But you aren't going anywhere fast, and you really need to pay attention to your battery, as no one seems to enjoy rowing RIB's... Then again, my dinghy is for a trawler that does about 8-9 knots WOT - so a 3 or 4 knot dinghy ride in to shore might be a reasonable fit for life in the slow lane. :)JohnJohnOn Friday, April 19, 2024 at 09:20:34 AM CDT, shredderf16 <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:John,
I'm building a 12 foot cat dinghy out of foam and glass. About 120 lbs. I also have the Hang Kai 1.2. Hopefully will have the boat running by end of summer.
I'm probably going to go with a small server rack lifepo4 that weighs about 40 lbs so I can carry it home to charge. The prices are getting better so waiting until end to buy it.
The 10 foot version of my dinghy would plane at 14 knots with one guy on a 3 hp gas honda. So I asked my Aussie propeller expert to look at the Hang Kai. He thinks we'll get at least 10 knots. So I'll give it a shot. If it looks promising I might get another and gang them together. Would also be good for redundancy.
We discussed the prop. The motor is geared one to one, so the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm or so. That's why it's small. Depending on how things go I've got an idea of an adapter to gear it down and fit a bigger prop.
Keep posting. I'll let you know how it goes when we get the thing in the water.
Jerry Barth
On April 18, 2024, at 10:03 PM, "john via groups.io" <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:Revisiting this question:I'm using an electric motor and battery for my dinghy.I've used Anderson connectors (100A and 50A) - and they're fine electrically.But the 50A blue Anderson connectors corrode horribly in the salt environment.I've seen XT60 and XT90 connectors, and think I've heard of people using those for solar connections (as well as being used in RC stuff).Would XT60 connectors do better in a salt environment than Anderson connectors?JohnOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:00:35 AM CDT, Matt Foley <matt@sunlightconversions.com> wrote:Hi John,I use 50 amp andersons on my dinghy motor. They do take a beating. I have to clean them every few months. Keep in mind, I get them wet frequently and they have taken more than a few dips in salt water. Salt water corrodes them pretty quick. Ill eventually try another solution.I can't speak for the Hankai specifically, but 800 watt input power should be enough for 4mph with a little margin. Power needed to go faster then 4mph will go up exponentially.Matt FoleySunlight ConversionsPerpetual Energy, LLC201-914-0466ABYC Certified MarineElectrical TechnicianOn Friday, June 2, 2023 at 08:36:47 AM EDT, john via groups.io <oak_box=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:I'm planning to use an electric outboard on the West Marine RIB 310 for my trawler. The dinghy is about 10' long, weighs a little over 100 pounds empty, plus 2-3 "solid sized" adults, plus motor and battery. Current plan is to experiment with a 48V Hangkai electric outboard, powered by a BTR 48V Ebike battery.Question: What connectors are best for using in the marine environment?I have experience with Torqeedos, and they use Anderson Plugs. Is that the best option for being able to quickly plug between the battery and the motor?One thing I want to do is put a small box between the battery and motor. The box will include a battery switch on the positive leg and a Victron battery monitor on the negative leg. While the Torqeedo used Anderson type connectors, I believe 120A type - I'll probably go with 50A Anderson connectors for the Hangkai. This is because both the batteries and the motor use small guage leads - 12GA at most. This is challenging enough to crimp into the pins of the 50A connector (intended for 8ga wire). I have a crimper that I use for most of the large pins and terminal lugs, but have to resort to using a bench vice to crimp the connectors on the small motor and battery leads. I'm planning to use 8 ga wire for the longer runs. The motor is rated at 1000W. I'm assuming I shouldn't be running much over 20A peak, probably more like 800W for typical cruising.The Hangkai is tiny compared to the Torqeedo 2T. But I'm really curious to see how the Hangkai does, and am REALLY hopeful that it works out. At $350, it's less than 1/10th the cost of a Torqeedo. The Ebike 48V batteries seem to be much better priced and much more available than 24V lithium batteries. My hope is that a 50A Ebike battery will get me at least 2 hours of run time at around 800W on the Hangkai - and I'm REALLY hopeful that 800W will be enough to push the dinghy at least to 3-4mph.I'm looking forward to being able to put some data together to compare the Torqeedo to the Hangkai. I understand that the Hangkai has less than half the power of the Torqeedo (and the prop on the Hangkai also seems tiny compared to the Torqeedo prop) - but if it can honestly put out what it claims to do, I think that'll be sufficient for a small dinghy. Given my battery bank, 800W would be a good burn rate. I know it'll never get me on plane or win any races. But if it gets me from the boat to the beach, and lets me toodle around a little from time to time, that'll be just fine.John
