Saturday, August 25, 2012

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

 

aint nuthin to not like about that project!
whole lot of boats here have an overhead bar as tow-point, skiing, wakeboarding, tubin etc
and waterproof speakers mounted up there for rockin and skiing. they sell em but I dont think its anything couldnt be handled by a muffler shop tubing bender made to fit..
steel or aluminum both pretty light weight for that. (snaps and bimini top with it?)
the liquid cooling probably helps speed and runtime a bit more than without even with the fans and pump current running, moreso with upcoming controllers. real nice!
last month did some tube-towing with gas boat, had used kids "pool noodles" for the Y harness to the boat, held rope out and away but the tow rope still managed to find the prop ONCE anyhow.. oops! 
 

--- On Fri, 8/24/12, ams_ak@ymail.com <ams_ak@ymail.com> wrote:

From: ams_ak@ymail.com <ams_ak@ymail.com>
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:13 AM

 

Thanks! It's a real blast!

..now also with tunes, water cooled controller and a LiFePo4 12V AUX battery:

http://youtu.be/591o42ET-4M?hd=1

app is EV Speedo for Soliton by AutoRad industries. There is also Ecar, which has a digital numbers/bar display.
Neither is perfect and both need a wifi router configured to make the connection.

AK
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, James Sizemore <james@...> wrote:
>
> What is the software you used on the android phone that showed your controller statistics?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 4:16 AM, "ams_ak@..." <ams_ak@...> wrote:
>
> > Update on the Electric Speedboat.
> >
> > Waterski trials!
> >
> > http://youtu.be/txEp3PwYSkg?hd=1
> >
> > for more info you can send an email to info@...
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > AK
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very interesting - thanks for the info.
> > >
> > > So by my estimate you get maybe 30-40 minutes at cruise out of your battery pack, to around an 80% DOD? Unless you have a pretty short commute, I assume you have to charge up with a pretty hefty rate charger for the return trip home?
> > >
> > > I suspect the Glastron is a fairly heavy boat? I've often wondered how a battery pack and motor such as yours would perform in a lightweight efficient runabout, such as Graham Byrnes' Ocracoke 20:
> > >
> > > http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/ocracoke.htm
> > >
> > > Your config would weigh several hundred pounds more than a 90hp motor and gas tank, so I guess it might be a bit too much on that boat. But I bet it would take a lot less juice to plane than the Glastron!
> > >
> > > I own a 20ft center cockpit runabout with 150hp motor that I would NOT buy again if I had to do it over (OK, the wife was the main reason for buying this boat - she likes a fast runabout for getting around the NC sounds). It gets 5 mpg which is better than most, but I hate burning that much fuel. I would build one of Graham's runabouts if I were doing it today, and seriously consider an electric installation. We typically don't run the boat more than 20 or 30 miles at a time, so the range of AK's type of config might just suffice.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Neil and all,
> > > >
> > > > some more data for the inquiring minds:
> > > >
> > > > The prop we are using is a 15 x 17 mounted on a Volvo Penta 270 sterndrive with 1:2.15 gear ratio. I do not know the real total weight of the boat, but we took out about 400kg and put 460kg back in. All mounted in a 1974 Glastron V174 Bayflite.
> > > >
> > > > Power consumption while getting up on plane is the peak draw, this is where our current limit settings kick in the most.
> > > > I limmit pack to 540A (6c) and motor 750A (the soliton can and will do 1000A)
> > > > Limmit pack low under load (sagvalue) to 2.4 * 90 = 216V, limit motor to 240V
> > > > Limit total output to 130kW, but have seen some higher numbers in the logfile
> > > >
> > > > with the current settings (both meanings) draw figures as they appear on the dash are:
> > > > 550A peak draw getting on plane. 350Aish for top speed (54kph) 130-140A to stay on plane and cruise. coming from displacement mode you can also build up to 120A-130A without getting on plane, so same current draw much lower speed.
> > > >
> > > > Hope you enjoy this data. Ill be interested as to any findings or further questions you might have.
> > > >
> > > > I do not check the Ymail, you can reach me at anne at newelectric.nl
> > > > our youtube channel now has a cool new vid of the powerboat pulling away as seen from shore:
> > > > http://youtu.be/Rvg_IA43b9k
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > AK
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yowsa! Kinda the opposite end of the spectrum from my long and lean at minimum watts approach to electric boating. I think I could tool along all summer with one charge of a 25kWh battery bank ;) (of course even with LiFePO4's it would sink my boat).
> > > > >
> > > > > With that big bank you can't go very long at 70+ kW draw/top speed. Have you measured the draw and knots at cruise? Never having planed a boat on electric power, I've always wondered what the current draw would be to keep a small electric speedboat on plane.
> > > > >
> > > > > What size is the prop? What does the boat displace?
> > > > >
> > > > > How far do you have to go to commute to work?
> > > > >
> > > > > Inquiring minds want to know!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes they are.
> > > > > > motor: Kostov 11" 250V 260A/duty cycle, we have 2 extra blowers for cooling
> > > > > > Controller: Evnetics Soliton1 = 300kW max output
> > > > > > Batts: 90 * 90AH Winston LiFePo4, we limit to 540A output (6C)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We got all of the above from http://kostov-motors.com/tractionmotors/kostovevmotors(ac-dc)/seriesdcmotorsforelectricvehicles/k11250v/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great company, great service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AK
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello and thanks for the good cheer!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a new vid up on Youtube that goes a small ways toward answering the questions.
> > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/jj3gg7A6BZ0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The text on Youtube says 240V - your audio says 300+ amps at one point - 70+ kilowatts??? Are those numbers right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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[Electric Boats] Re: Pete's back shed hybrid

 

Carter,
We do that now. We turn the generation on and off when sailing or under diesel power with the key switch on the quadrant. In the off position the prop spins without generation of power. In the on position the prop spins with generation of power.

What the clutch will give us is a way to charge by the diesel at much higher charge rate while at anchor on a mouring or in a slip. Today the prop must be turning, again by sailing or diesel, to generate power and is limited to the power of the sail (max todate is 100 watts sailing at 6 knots) or by diesel (max 1.2kw at 5 knots as the diesel power must first push the boat and it is a small diesel). The coupler will allow the generation of power by the diesel much more in line with the rated capacity of the electric 7.0kw. They system would then be a full capacity generator driving power into the propulsion battery bank.

You also asked about the price. The WE3.5 is $3995 and the WE7.0 is $4995. The installation is slightly more complex than the all electric as you deal with the installed ICE but is within the capabilities of a good boatwright or owner handy with tools. EY makes the traction system but is is not a gear box rather pullies from the motor to the common coupler and sized to the application.
Mike
Electric Yachts of Southern California

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, Peter Rasmussen <danblu@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike ,Carter,
> Just a question regarding gearboxes.  Could we not simply uncouple the motor electronically, say with a switch that turns off the generating?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carter Quillen <twowheelinguy@...>
> To: "electricboats@yahoogroups.com" <electricboats@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Pete's back shed hybrid
>
>
>  
> Mike,
>  
> That is a slick setup.  Can you share the price of such an installation with us? Does EY make that gearbox?
>  
> Are you planning on making your own clutches? I've searched high and low for something suitable with no luck. Thankfully I leave the boat in electric mode almost all the time anyway and only kept the 49 year old diesel for emergencies but it would be nice to be able to make the transition to ICE without having to take the chain off.
>  
> I've seen some centripedal gocart clutches that looked like they might work well but can't find one with an 1 1/8" shaft bore. The biggest I've seen was 1" and that is rare, most are about 1/2" to 3/4". A centripedal clutch would also preclude having regen but my motor/controller doesn't have that feature anyway and I really don't want to run my ancient diesel any more than absolutely necessary. Although it runs like a top right now, I fear once it breaks, they'll be no getting parts. It was originally made by British Leyland for a double decker bus, then rebuilt and installed in the boat in 1980. When it does finally die,  I think I'll upgrade to series hybrid with a 20 kW electric and a 48V diesel genset. Hopefully I'll get several more years out of it before I have to do that though.
>  
> I guess you don't have any problems running that Kanzaki transmission in neutral with the electric. The 32 year old Borg-Warner Velvet Drive I have does heat up a bit but no warmer than when the diesel is running. I've heard it can be an absolute disaster to do this with some transimissions. Does anyone know which ones don't like to be spun in neutral or is that just a rumor?
>  
> Carter Quillen, PE
> http://www.archemedesproject.blogspot.com/
>
> From: Mike Gunning <mike@...>
> To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:43 AM
> Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Pete's back shed hybrid
>
> Pete,
> Disclosure: Dealer for Electric Yacht
>
> Just finished our third trip with our diesel hybrid and I am really sold on the capabilities of the parallel diesel hybrid.  I also have an all electric Newport 30MKll.  My Columbia
> 9.6 is quite a bit lighter than your 32ft double ender.  What we have found in sailing her is that when others sailboats around Southern California are under power on the upwind portion of a passage, we are sailing at about 60-70% of hull speed.  Just a little slower but the journey is the destination.  Just that little but of boost, 4 to 10 amps sailing assist makes it possible.  Solar would be useful here.  That fact has become the over ridding way I use electric on the boat.  In Southern California light winds passage making my use has been: diesel propulsion/charging 25%, Electric sailing assist 50% and sailing only 25%.  Electric only in day sailing and harbor use.
>
> We installed the WE7.0 on our 15 hp Yanmar and could have installed the smaller WE3.0 with much of the same results.  The electric motor is mounted above the transmission with drive to the special geared common coupler.  The diesel
> moves the boat, the electric moves the boat and the diesel while propelling the boat can drive the electric as a generator.  The clutch would be very nice and it is in the future, shaft space already reserved for it.  We use the same belt system we have installed in over 150 boats and it is quite and reliable.  Chain would also work but likely more noise.  The recharge system is turned on or off by the switch and the controller manages the amount of power the diesel driving the generator puts into the battery pack..
>
> You can see the installation here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electricboats/photos/album/1469361680/pic/list
>
> Your thinking about how you would use the hybrid is spot on.  After making our third trip this Summer, I believe that for the 32 to 40 foot boat, the parallel hybrid is a good
> solution.  The diesel systems are usually adequate and can handle the power load of the electric in generator mode (they are programed to not over demand power from the diesel while the diesel is pushing the boat).  The benefit of the slow speed harbor under electric only is great.  The sailing with electric motor assist is very useful to improve pointing and increase speed in light winds.  And the size of the propulsion battery pack is likely to be smaller than in an electric only propulsion system without an installed diesel generator.
>
> Regards, Mike Gunning
> Electric Yacht of Southern California
>
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "danblu@" <danblu@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > I've got a 32 foot Atkins style double ender somewhat like a "Thistle".  She's a great little bird on the
> water, sails really well except in really light air.  Usually gets about half the wind speed to around ten knots wind but in really light conditions struggles a bit due to her having ten tons to propel.
> > So why not put a pulley on the propshaft( has an Isuzu 25 hp 2ab1 through a prm 140 gearbox) and fit an electric motor to both propel and generate power?
> > Just need the electric drive to push her to about 3 knots so 5 kilowatt should be plenty.  I imagine electric assist in light air, and any time the sun is shining as plan to have solar panels attached to the lifelines.  Should get our average speed up a bit!
> > I guess this would need a clutch or some method of disengaging when the batteries are fully charged or maybe a current diverter that heats water.  Should not need a huge battery with this setup.
> > Really interest to hear your opinions.
> > Kind regards,
> >
> Pete.
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Friday, August 24, 2012

[Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

 


Thanks! It's a real blast!

..now also with tunes, water cooled controller and a LiFePo4 12V AUX battery:

http://youtu.be/591o42ET-4M?hd=1

app is EV Speedo for Soliton by AutoRad industries. There is also Ecar, which has a digital numbers/bar display.
Neither is perfect and both need a wifi router configured to make the connection.

AK
--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, James Sizemore <james@...> wrote:
>
> What is the software you used on the android phone that showed your controller statistics?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 4:16 AM, "ams_ak@..." <ams_ak@...> wrote:
>
> > Update on the Electric Speedboat.
> >
> > Waterski trials!
> >
> > http://youtu.be/txEp3PwYSkg?hd=1
> >
> > for more info you can send an email to info@...
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > AK
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very interesting - thanks for the info.
> > >
> > > So by my estimate you get maybe 30-40 minutes at cruise out of your battery pack, to around an 80% DOD? Unless you have a pretty short commute, I assume you have to charge up with a pretty hefty rate charger for the return trip home?
> > >
> > > I suspect the Glastron is a fairly heavy boat? I've often wondered how a battery pack and motor such as yours would perform in a lightweight efficient runabout, such as Graham Byrnes' Ocracoke 20:
> > >
> > > http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/ocracoke.htm
> > >
> > > Your config would weigh several hundred pounds more than a 90hp motor and gas tank, so I guess it might be a bit too much on that boat. But I bet it would take a lot less juice to plane than the Glastron!
> > >
> > > I own a 20ft center cockpit runabout with 150hp motor that I would NOT buy again if I had to do it over (OK, the wife was the main reason for buying this boat - she likes a fast runabout for getting around the NC sounds). It gets 5 mpg which is better than most, but I hate burning that much fuel. I would build one of Graham's runabouts if I were doing it today, and seriously consider an electric installation. We typically don't run the boat more than 20 or 30 miles at a time, so the range of AK's type of config might just suffice.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Neil and all,
> > > >
> > > > some more data for the inquiring minds:
> > > >
> > > > The prop we are using is a 15 x 17 mounted on a Volvo Penta 270 sterndrive with 1:2.15 gear ratio. I do not know the real total weight of the boat, but we took out about 400kg and put 460kg back in. All mounted in a 1974 Glastron V174 Bayflite.
> > > >
> > > > Power consumption while getting up on plane is the peak draw, this is where our current limit settings kick in the most.
> > > > I limmit pack to 540A (6c) and motor 750A (the soliton can and will do 1000A)
> > > > Limmit pack low under load (sagvalue) to 2.4 * 90 = 216V, limit motor to 240V
> > > > Limit total output to 130kW, but have seen some higher numbers in the logfile
> > > >
> > > > with the current settings (both meanings) draw figures as they appear on the dash are:
> > > > 550A peak draw getting on plane. 350Aish for top speed (54kph) 130-140A to stay on plane and cruise. coming from displacement mode you can also build up to 120A-130A without getting on plane, so same current draw much lower speed.
> > > >
> > > > Hope you enjoy this data. Ill be interested as to any findings or further questions you might have.
> > > >
> > > > I do not check the Ymail, you can reach me at anne at newelectric.nl
> > > > our youtube channel now has a cool new vid of the powerboat pulling away as seen from shore:
> > > > http://youtu.be/Rvg_IA43b9k
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > AK
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yowsa! Kinda the opposite end of the spectrum from my long and lean at minimum watts approach to electric boating. I think I could tool along all summer with one charge of a 25kWh battery bank ;) (of course even with LiFePO4's it would sink my boat).
> > > > >
> > > > > With that big bank you can't go very long at 70+ kW draw/top speed. Have you measured the draw and knots at cruise? Never having planed a boat on electric power, I've always wondered what the current draw would be to keep a small electric speedboat on plane.
> > > > >
> > > > > What size is the prop? What does the boat displace?
> > > > >
> > > > > How far do you have to go to commute to work?
> > > > >
> > > > > Inquiring minds want to know!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes they are.
> > > > > > motor: Kostov 11" 250V 260A/duty cycle, we have 2 extra blowers for cooling
> > > > > > Controller: Evnetics Soliton1 = 300kW max output
> > > > > > Batts: 90 * 90AH Winston LiFePo4, we limit to 540A output (6C)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We got all of the above from http://kostov-motors.com/tractionmotors/kostovevmotors(ac-dc)/seriesdcmotorsforelectricvehicles/k11250v/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great company, great service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AK
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello and thanks for the good cheer!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a new vid up on Youtube that goes a small ways toward answering the questions.
> > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/jj3gg7A6BZ0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The text on Youtube says 240V - your audio says 300+ amps at one point - 70+ kilowatts??? Are those numbers right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Thursday, August 23, 2012

Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

 

What is the software you used on the android phone that showed your controller statistics? 

Thanks.  



On Aug 23, 2012, at 4:16 AM, "ams_ak@ymail.com" <ams_ak@ymail.com> wrote:

 

Update on the Electric Speedboat.

Waterski trials!

http://youtu.be/txEp3PwYSkg?hd=1

for more info you can send an email to info@newelectric.nl

regards,

AK

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting - thanks for the info.
>
> So by my estimate you get maybe 30-40 minutes at cruise out of your battery pack, to around an 80% DOD? Unless you have a pretty short commute, I assume you have to charge up with a pretty hefty rate charger for the return trip home?
>
> I suspect the Glastron is a fairly heavy boat? I've often wondered how a battery pack and motor such as yours would perform in a lightweight efficient runabout, such as Graham Byrnes' Ocracoke 20:
>
> http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/ocracoke.htm
>
> Your config would weigh several hundred pounds more than a 90hp motor and gas tank, so I guess it might be a bit too much on that boat. But I bet it would take a lot less juice to plane than the Glastron!
>
> I own a 20ft center cockpit runabout with 150hp motor that I would NOT buy again if I had to do it over (OK, the wife was the main reason for buying this boat - she likes a fast runabout for getting around the NC sounds). It gets 5 mpg which is better than most, but I hate burning that much fuel. I would build one of Graham's runabouts if I were doing it today, and seriously consider an electric installation. We typically don't run the boat more than 20 or 30 miles at a time, so the range of AK's type of config might just suffice.
>
> Neil
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Neil and all,
> >
> > some more data for the inquiring minds:
> >
> > The prop we are using is a 15 x 17 mounted on a Volvo Penta 270 sterndrive with 1:2.15 gear ratio. I do not know the real total weight of the boat, but we took out about 400kg and put 460kg back in. All mounted in a 1974 Glastron V174 Bayflite.
> >
> > Power consumption while getting up on plane is the peak draw, this is where our current limit settings kick in the most.
> > I limmit pack to 540A (6c) and motor 750A (the soliton can and will do 1000A)
> > Limmit pack low under load (sagvalue) to 2.4 * 90 = 216V, limit motor to 240V
> > Limit total output to 130kW, but have seen some higher numbers in the logfile
> >
> > with the current settings (both meanings) draw figures as they appear on the dash are:
> > 550A peak draw getting on plane. 350Aish for top speed (54kph) 130-140A to stay on plane and cruise. coming from displacement mode you can also build up to 120A-130A without getting on plane, so same current draw much lower speed.
> >
> > Hope you enjoy this data. Ill be interested as to any findings or further questions you might have.
> >
> > I do not check the Ymail, you can reach me at anne at newelectric.nl
> > our youtube channel now has a cool new vid of the powerboat pulling away as seen from shore:
> > http://youtu.be/Rvg_IA43b9k
> >
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > AK
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yowsa! Kinda the opposite end of the spectrum from my long and lean at minimum watts approach to electric boating. I think I could tool along all summer with one charge of a 25kWh battery bank ;) (of course even with LiFePO4's it would sink my boat).
> > >
> > > With that big bank you can't go very long at 70+ kW draw/top speed. Have you measured the draw and knots at cruise? Never having planed a boat on electric power, I've always wondered what the current draw would be to keep a small electric speedboat on plane.
> > >
> > > What size is the prop? What does the boat displace?
> > >
> > > How far do you have to go to commute to work?
> > >
> > > Inquiring minds want to know!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Neil,
> > > >
> > > > Yes they are.
> > > > motor: Kostov 11" 250V 260A/duty cycle, we have 2 extra blowers for cooling
> > > > Controller: Evnetics Soliton1 = 300kW max output
> > > > Batts: 90 * 90AH Winston LiFePo4, we limit to 540A output (6C)
> > > >
> > > > We got all of the above from http://kostov-motors.com/tractionmotors/kostovevmotors(ac-dc)/seriesdcmotorsforelectricvehicles/k11250v/
> > > >
> > > > Great company, great service.
> > > >
> > > > AK
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello and thanks for the good cheer!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a new vid up on Youtube that goes a small ways toward answering the questions.
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/jj3gg7A6BZ0
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The text on Youtube says 240V - your audio says 300+ amps at one point - 70+ kilowatts??? Are those numbers right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

 

lol oh hell yeah  :)

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, ams_ak@ymail.com <ams_ak@ymail.com> wrote:

From: ams_ak@ymail.com <ams_ak@ymail.com>
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 5:16 AM

 
Update on the Electric Speedboat.

Waterski trials!

http://youtu.be/txEp3PwYSkg?hd=1

for more info you can send an email to info@newelectric.nl

regards,

AK

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting - thanks for the info.
>
> So by my estimate you get maybe 30-40 minutes at cruise out of your battery pack, to around an 80% DOD? Unless you have a pretty short commute, I assume you have to charge up with a pretty hefty rate charger for the return trip home?
>
> I suspect the Glastron is a fairly heavy boat? I've often wondered how a battery pack and motor such as yours would perform in a lightweight efficient runabout, such as Graham Byrnes' Ocracoke 20:
>
> http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/ocracoke.htm
>
> Your config would weigh several hundred pounds more than a 90hp motor and gas tank, so I guess it might be a bit too much on that boat. But I bet it would take a lot less juice to plane than the Glastron!
>
> I own a 20ft center cockpit runabout with 150hp motor that I would NOT buy again if I had to do it over (OK, the wife was the main reason for buying this boat - she likes a fast runabout for getting around the NC sounds). It gets 5 mpg which is better than most, but I hate burning that much fuel. I would build one of Graham's runabouts if I were doing it today, and seriously consider an electric installation. We typically don't run the boat more than 20 or 30 miles at a time, so the range of AK's type of config might just suffice.
>
> Neil
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Neil and all,
> >
> > some more data for the inquiring minds:
> >
> > The prop we are using is a 15 x 17 mounted on a Volvo Penta 270 sterndrive with 1:2.15 gear ratio. I do not know the real total weight of the boat, but we took out about 400kg and put 460kg back in. All mounted in a 1974 Glastron V174 Bayflite.
> >
> > Power consumption while getting up on plane is the peak draw, this is where our current limit settings kick in the most.
> > I limmit pack to 540A (6c) and motor 750A (the soliton can and will do 1000A)
> > Limmit pack low under load (sagvalue) to 2.4 * 90 = 216V, limit motor to 240V
> > Limit total output to 130kW, but have seen some higher numbers in the logfile
> >
> > with the current settings (both meanings) draw figures as they appear on the dash are:
> > 550A peak draw getting on plane. 350Aish for top speed (54kph) 130-140A to stay on plane and cruise. coming from displacement mode you can also build up to 120A-130A without getting on plane, so same current draw much lower speed.
> >
> > Hope you enjoy this data. Ill be interested as to any findings or further questions you might have.
> >
> > I do not check the Ymail, you can reach me at anne at newelectric.nl
> > our youtube channel now has a cool new vid of the powerboat pulling away as seen from shore:
> > http://youtu.be/Rvg_IA43b9k
> >
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > AK
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yowsa! Kinda the opposite end of the spectrum from my long and lean at minimum watts approach to electric boating. I think I could tool along all summer with one charge of a 25kWh battery bank ;) (of course even with LiFePO4's it would sink my boat).
> > >
> > > With that big bank you can't go very long at 70+ kW draw/top speed. Have you measured the draw and knots at cruise? Never having planed a boat on electric power, I've always wondered what the current draw would be to keep a small electric speedboat on plane.
> > >
> > > What size is the prop? What does the boat displace?
> > >
> > > How far do you have to go to commute to work?
> > >
> > > Inquiring minds want to know!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Neil,
> > > >
> > > > Yes they are.
> > > > motor: Kostov 11" 250V 260A/duty cycle, we have 2 extra blowers for cooling
> > > > Controller: Evnetics Soliton1 = 300kW max output
> > > > Batts: 90 * 90AH Winston LiFePo4, we limit to 540A output (6C)
> > > >
> > > > We got all of the above from http://kostov-motors.com/tractionmotors/kostovevmotors(ac-dc)/seriesdcmotorsforelectricvehicles/k11250v/
> > > >
> > > > Great company, great service.
> > > >
> > > > AK
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello and thanks for the good cheer!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a new vid up on Youtube that goes a small ways toward answering the questions.
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/jj3gg7A6BZ0
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The text on Youtube says 240V - your audio says 300+ amps at one point - 70+ kilowatts??? Are those numbers right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

 

That is the awesomest electric ski boat in the universe. (That I've seen anyway.)
 
Excellent conversion!
 
 

From: "ams_ak@ymail.com" <ams_ak@ymail.com>
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:16 AM
Subject: [Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

Update on the Electric Speedboat.

Waterski trials!

http://youtu.be/txEp3PwYSkg?hd=1

for more info you can send an email to info@newelectric.nl

regards,

AK

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting - thanks for the info.
>
> So by my estimate you get maybe 30-40 minutes at cruise out of your battery pack, to around an 80% DOD? Unless you have a pretty short commute, I assume you have to charge up with a pretty hefty rate charger for the return trip home?
>
> I suspect the Glastron is a fairly heavy boat? I've often wondered how a battery pack and motor such as yours would perform in a lightweight efficient runabout, such as Graham Byrnes' Ocracoke 20:
>
> http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/ocracoke.htm
>
> Your config would weigh several hundred pounds more than a 90hp motor and gas tank, so I guess it might be a bit too much on that boat. But I bet it would take a lot less juice to plane than the Glastron!
>
> I own a 20ft center cockpit runabout with 150hp motor that I would NOT buy again if I had to do it over (OK, the wife was the main reason for buying this boat - she likes a fast runabout for getting around the NC sounds). It gets 5 mpg which is better than most, but I hate burning that much fuel. I would build one of Graham's runabouts if I were doing it today, and seriously consider an electric installation. We typically don't run the boat more than 20 or 30 miles at a time, so the range of AK's type of config might just suffice.
>
> Neil
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Neil and all,
> >
> > some more data for the inquiring minds:
> >
> > The prop we are using is a 15 x 17 mounted on a Volvo Penta 270 sterndrive with 1:2.15 gear ratio. I do not know the real total weight of the boat, but we took out about 400kg and put 460kg back in. All mounted in a 1974 Glastron V174 Bayflite.
> >
> > Power consumption while getting up on plane is the peak draw, this is where our current limit settings kick in the most.
> > I limmit pack to 540A (6c) and motor 750A (the soliton can and will do 1000A)
> > Limmit pack low under load (sagvalue) to 2.4 * 90 = 216V, limit motor to 240V
> > Limit total output to 130kW, but have seen some higher numbers in the logfile
> >
> > with the current settings (both meanings) draw figures as they appear on the dash are:
> > 550A peak draw getting on plane. 350Aish for top speed (54kph) 130-140A to stay on plane and cruise. coming from displacement mode you can also build up to 120A-130A without getting on plane, so same current draw much lower speed.
> >
> > Hope you enjoy this data. Ill be interested as to any findings or further questions you might have.
> >
> > I do not check the Ymail, you can reach me at anne at newelectric.nl
> > our youtube channel now has a cool new vid of the powerboat pulling away as seen from shore:
> > http://youtu.be/Rvg_IA43b9k
> >
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > AK
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yowsa! Kinda the opposite end of the spectrum from my long and lean at minimum watts approach to electric boating. I think I could tool along all summer with one charge of a 25kWh battery bank ;) (of course even with LiFePO4's it would sink my boat).
> > >
> > > With that big bank you can't go very long at 70+ kW draw/top speed. Have you measured the draw and knots at cruise? Never having planed a boat on electric power, I've always wondered what the current draw would be to keep a small electric speedboat on plane.
> > >
> > > What size is the prop? What does the boat displace?
> > >
> > > How far do you have to go to commute to work?
> > >
> > > Inquiring minds want to know!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Neil,
> > > >
> > > > Yes they are.
> > > > motor: Kostov 11" 250V 260A/duty cycle, we have 2 extra blowers for cooling
> > > > Controller: Evnetics Soliton1 = 300kW max output
> > > > Batts: 90 * 90AH Winston LiFePo4, we limit to 540A output (6C)
> > > >
> > > > We got all of the above from http://kostov-motors.com/tractionmotors/kostovevmotors(ac-dc)/seriesdcmotorsforelectricvehicles/k11250v/
> > > >
> > > > Great company, great service.
> > > >
> > > > AK
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello and thanks for the good cheer!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a new vid up on Youtube that goes a small ways toward answering the questions.
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/jj3gg7A6BZ0
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The text on Youtube says 240V - your audio says 300+ amps at one point - 70+ kilowatts???  Are those numbers right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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[Electric Boats] Re: Electric speedboat revisited

 

Update on the Electric Speedboat.

Waterski trials!

http://youtu.be/txEp3PwYSkg?hd=1

for more info you can send an email to info@newelectric.nl

regards,

AK

--- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting - thanks for the info.
>
> So by my estimate you get maybe 30-40 minutes at cruise out of your battery pack, to around an 80% DOD? Unless you have a pretty short commute, I assume you have to charge up with a pretty hefty rate charger for the return trip home?
>
> I suspect the Glastron is a fairly heavy boat? I've often wondered how a battery pack and motor such as yours would perform in a lightweight efficient runabout, such as Graham Byrnes' Ocracoke 20:
>
> http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/ocracoke.htm
>
> Your config would weigh several hundred pounds more than a 90hp motor and gas tank, so I guess it might be a bit too much on that boat. But I bet it would take a lot less juice to plane than the Glastron!
>
> I own a 20ft center cockpit runabout with 150hp motor that I would NOT buy again if I had to do it over (OK, the wife was the main reason for buying this boat - she likes a fast runabout for getting around the NC sounds). It gets 5 mpg which is better than most, but I hate burning that much fuel. I would build one of Graham's runabouts if I were doing it today, and seriously consider an electric installation. We typically don't run the boat more than 20 or 30 miles at a time, so the range of AK's type of config might just suffice.
>
> Neil
>
> --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Neil and all,
> >
> > some more data for the inquiring minds:
> >
> > The prop we are using is a 15 x 17 mounted on a Volvo Penta 270 sterndrive with 1:2.15 gear ratio. I do not know the real total weight of the boat, but we took out about 400kg and put 460kg back in. All mounted in a 1974 Glastron V174 Bayflite.
> >
> > Power consumption while getting up on plane is the peak draw, this is where our current limit settings kick in the most.
> > I limmit pack to 540A (6c) and motor 750A (the soliton can and will do 1000A)
> > Limmit pack low under load (sagvalue) to 2.4 * 90 = 216V, limit motor to 240V
> > Limit total output to 130kW, but have seen some higher numbers in the logfile
> >
> > with the current settings (both meanings) draw figures as they appear on the dash are:
> > 550A peak draw getting on plane. 350Aish for top speed (54kph) 130-140A to stay on plane and cruise. coming from displacement mode you can also build up to 120A-130A without getting on plane, so same current draw much lower speed.
> >
> > Hope you enjoy this data. Ill be interested as to any findings or further questions you might have.
> >
> > I do not check the Ymail, you can reach me at anne at newelectric.nl
> > our youtube channel now has a cool new vid of the powerboat pulling away as seen from shore:
> > http://youtu.be/Rvg_IA43b9k
> >
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > AK
> >
> > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yowsa! Kinda the opposite end of the spectrum from my long and lean at minimum watts approach to electric boating. I think I could tool along all summer with one charge of a 25kWh battery bank ;) (of course even with LiFePO4's it would sink my boat).
> > >
> > > With that big bank you can't go very long at 70+ kW draw/top speed. Have you measured the draw and knots at cruise? Never having planed a boat on electric power, I've always wondered what the current draw would be to keep a small electric speedboat on plane.
> > >
> > > What size is the prop? What does the boat displace?
> > >
> > > How far do you have to go to commute to work?
> > >
> > > Inquiring minds want to know!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Neil,
> > > >
> > > > Yes they are.
> > > > motor: Kostov 11" 250V 260A/duty cycle, we have 2 extra blowers for cooling
> > > > Controller: Evnetics Soliton1 = 300kW max output
> > > > Batts: 90 * 90AH Winston LiFePo4, we limit to 540A output (6C)
> > > >
> > > > We got all of the above from http://kostov-motors.com/tractionmotors/kostovevmotors(ac-dc)/seriesdcmotorsforelectricvehicles/k11250v/
> > > >
> > > > Great company, great service.
> > > >
> > > > AK
> > > >
> > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "fneilss" <fneilss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In electricboats@yahoogroups.com, "ams_ak@" <ams_ak@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello and thanks for the good cheer!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a new vid up on Youtube that goes a small ways toward answering the questions.
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/jj3gg7A6BZ0
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The text on Youtube says 240V - your audio says 300+ amps at one point - 70+ kilowatts??? Are those numbers right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [Electric Boats] new to group and wondering

 

Terry,

Welcome to the group. The early Prius's used a NiMH pack 274 volts @ 6.5 amps, 1.781 kWh. The plug in uses a lithium 4.4 kWh pack. Does this help? I'm not sure on these packs, but I think they used cylinder cells in a series/parallel configuration. I'm not a fan of parallel for increasing the bank's capacity, too much of a chance for later balance issues. I prefer single cell at the a/hr rating desired in a series string.

Bob

--- On Wed, 8/22/12, privateer26hook <privateer26hook@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: privateer26hook <privateer26hook@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Electric Boats] new to group and wondering
To: electricboats@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 10:23 AM

I may be covering old ground here, but would the battery from a Toyota Prius be a suitable power source for an electric motor to power a 26 Kenner Privateer sailboat?  Im not alking about using the prius motor or planetary gear system - just the battery and so type of onboard generator to charge it?  I know they make plug in Prius now.  What are the specs of a prius battery?

Thanks for all the good info

Terry



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